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Old 03-09-2005, 01:20 AM   #31
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Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

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HTDAAB is nowhere in the top 50.
Is that really true? It's not that I dont believe u Jick, i'm just interested to find out what shit the majority of America are listening to, to keep a band like U2's latest album out of the top 50! Anyone got a link for a list or something?
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Gee, I thought things had been too quiet around here lately. Thank goodness for Jick, come to save the day.

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Re: Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

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Is that really true? It's not that I dont believe u Jick, i'm just interested to find out what shit the majority of America are listening to, to keep a band like U2's latest album out of the top 50! Anyone got a link for a list or something?
We are yet to receive the official report of U2's chart performance from Billboard/Soundscan. That wil reveal U2's real chart position. HITS has placed U2 out of the top fifty but Billboard's charts have often shown U2 to be higher (both sales and position-wise). I think U2 might still be in the top fifty.
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Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

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Is that really true? It's not that I dont believe u Jick, i'm just interested to find out what shit the majority of America are listening to, to keep a band like U2's latest album out of the top 50! Anyone got a link for a list or something?
Actually, we don't know that HTDAAB has fallen out of the U.S. Top 50 just yet. Per *one* album monitoring chart, it did drop out of the Top 50. However, Billboard uses SoundScan data, and on that chart, the album may very well still be in the Top 50.

Also, we all must remember that the album is certified as 3x Platinum already! Those are HUGE numbers - especially in the era of illegal downloads. Go through Billboard's album chart. The number of artists with 3x Platinum sales or more is about half of what there was 5 years ago and about a third of what there was 10 years ago! In other words, even if HTDAAB failed to sell another copy, it still has performed brilliantly.

However, HTDAAB is really just getting going. I disagree with the person who said "Vertigo" was a bad first single. This was an excellent first choice. It's a fun, rocking song that caught people's attention. More importantly, it is a GOOD song with a good video. "Discotheque" was a fun rocking song, but a little bit "too out there" for most U2 fans and it backfired on them. In contrast, "Vertigo" pushes the envelope (with its Spanish phrases) without going overboard. It attracted the younger crowd and garnered U2 a lot of attention.

The thing is, it behaved like a normal single - it rose the charts, peaked and then fell. Once it was gone, U2 didn't have a song to replace it. ABoY wasn't marketed at all, and while ABoY hit the Top 10 on the U.S. Modern Rock charts and the Top 20 on the Mainstream Rock charts, that wasn't enough to get it into the Hot 100. Funny thing is, now that the song is falling off the charts completely, I hear it on the radio more than ever! LOL!

"Sometimes..." now is taking its place - and this song has the potential to cross over. It's not my favorite song on HTDAAB at all, but it has that potential to do what "Beautiful Day" did or at least what "Stuck..." did.

If "Sometimes..." does its job and gives HTDAAB a boost, the tour will then kick it and keep HTDAAB at steady sales for a good chunk of the year.

In other words, abandoning a 3x Platinum album that may have JUST slipped out of the Top 50 now would be a ridiculous move - especially since the album is just barely 3 months old.

As I've hoped to illustrate, many times albums - even from big name aritsts - drop out of the Top 50 or even Top 100 only to rebound all the way back to the Top 20 or even Top 10 due to a hit song. Therefore, these comments of dropping HTDAAB are egregiously premature.
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Re: Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

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You know what, i don't post much. I've been a U2 fan for awhile,and I'm sorry. I'm all for discussion, difference of opinion and what not. But I have to say, and ban me from the forum if that's what's appropriate... (it's too easy as well) But Jick is a dick. My friend, if you had a clue what this band is about, you wouldn't have anything to say. No one has to like U2's music. It isn't for everyone, but for a so called fan? I just don't get you.

Apologies to those offended. I will take my medicine when administered by the intereference crew , but you my friend, are nothing but a ignorant moron.
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Jick has nothing to do in his life so he starts opening stupid threads like this one. Who cares if HUT DAB isn't N#1 for last 2 years???I don't and i won't!
But when u2 makes a record, i'll buy it and celebrate it. Discuss about it and all. I WON'T SAY THIS STUFF Just to get attention.
Jick, c'mon, it's just too early to tell.
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Re: Re: Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

I already abandoned HTDAAB so I really don´t care about new singles, Vertigo Tour, etc, after all, I don´t have to be polite with such mediocre, commercial, unoriginal, lame, boring, overhyped and recycled album . I can´t believe HTDAAB is a U2 album, after listening such brilliant musical statements as Achtung Baby, Pop, Joshua Tree, Zooropa, War, Boy, etc

I agree, they should leave HTDAAB behind.

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It's a shame u feel that way Ponkine - i'd hate to have those feelings. I for one get excited with each new single release, and the prospect of seeing them play in a few months.

As for 'Mediocre/Commercial/Unoriginal/Lame/Boring/Overhyped and Recycled - everyone is entitled to their own opinions.


And yours is shite.
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doctorwho is smarter than all of us and we should bow to his utter wisdom of all things chart related.



he's 100% right in every point he's made, and i just want to emphasize two of those points...

a) i played "sometimes..." at work the other day and a coworker, who is not a u2 fan and, heard it and said "hey i've heard that song" and was actually humming along to it at the end... it has the potential to be a huge cross-over hit
b) you're right... i've heard all because of you on the radio and seen it on tv more now that it's dropping from the charts then when it was first released.

Cheers,

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It's a shame u feel that way Ponkine - i'd hate to have those feelings. I for one get excited with each new single release, and the prospect of seeing them play in a few months.

As for 'Mediocre/Commercial/Unoriginal/Lame/Boring/Overhyped and Recycled - everyone is entitled to their own opinions.


And yours is shite.


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doctorwho is smarter than all of us and we should bow to his utter wisdom of all things chart related.



Cheers,

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Not to comment on anything you said, but it seems you are expecting a new U2 album soon, very soon.
At least, the advisory system in your sig is set to severe.

Care to share any details...?


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Not to comment on anything you said, but it seems you are expecting a new U2 album soon, very soon.
At least, the advisory system in your sig is set to severe.

Care to share any details...?


when the album and tour dies down, so too will the album advisory system. stop getting technical
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should U2 Abandon HTDAAB And Record A New Album Immediately?

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I already abandoned HTDAAB so I really don´t care about new singles, Vertigo Tour, etc, after all, I don´t have to be polite with such mediocre, commercial, unoriginal, lame, boring, overhyped and recycled album . I can´t believe HTDAAB is a U2 album, after listening such brilliant musical statements as Achtung Baby, Pop, Joshua Tree, Zooropa, War, Boy, etc

I agree, they should leave HTDAAB behind.

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At the risk of getting personal ponkine maybe you should'nt sign off as 'peace'and use the more acurate 'i'm a knobjockey(followed by a wanker smiley)


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htdaab is a great album, and everytime I listen to it I feel like I´m gonna fly, thinking about the gig ahead. if there´s something negative about it then it´s some of the lyrics that are not so great as previous ones. please note SOME.
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Don't get me wrong. I personally like HTDAAB a lot. I honestly think it is U2's best album since ATYCLB. It's just like the consumers don't agree with me. On the other hand, I disliked POP as a U2 album and the consumers agreed and POP sold poorly.

So I am trying to be objective here. On the one hand there is an album I love a lot but it also is going poorly in terms of sales. So I am trying to be realistic and see if U2 may be considering other options, especially since they have already been in panic mode and employing desperation tactics through dubious single release choices and close proximity of single release dates just to "save" the album.

I ask you all not to interpret this post as slagging the quality of HTDAAB. My personal view is that it has great music but I am just trying to write from the point of view of a detached impartial observer who is just analyzing U2's moves and their chart freefall.

A think a follow up album should be among U2's possible options.

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