POP Rebuilt then revisited.

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When POP was released, three of its songs had single versions that were reworked versions of the album:

If God Will Send His Angels (Single Version)
Last Night On Earth (Single Version)
Please (Single Version)


After POP, and during the ATYCLB press interviews, Bono and the gang were lambasting POP as unfinished work. After a fan enoucntered Bono after the ATYCLB period, Bono said they weren't working on a new album but were "remixing POP." Then three remixed POP songs were featured in the Best Of 1990-2000 album:

Discotheque (New Mix)
Staring At The Sun (New Mix)
Gone (New Mix)

When talk was that Hands That Built America would be released as a single, another POP song was in the mix as the b-side to Hands. Unfortunately, Hands didn't win an Oscar so it was never released:

Playboy Mansion (New Mix - that should have come with Hands' single)

Soon, Jools Holland released an album featuring a POP song, and the mix here was very similar to the mix U2 preferred and performed live during the POPMart Tour.

If You Wear That Velvet Dress (from Jools Holland album)

So now were are left with only four songs off POP that has not been touched or remixed (at least for the meantime):

Miami
Do You Feel Loved
Mofo
Wake Up Dead Man

So U2 have virtually abandoned most of the original POP album and are slowly tweaking the songs to new versions. But is this really all justified? Are the new songs really new and improved versions? Well, I just had to find out myself, so I gave the CD a spin after 6 long years, and I realized a few things I never realized before:

-Do You Feel Loved is a great song, should have been a single.

-Please is a far far cry from the Popmart live or single version

-Playboy Mansion is clever and witty, something Wild Honey tried to be but failed miserably

-If God Will Send His Angels is better than the single version

-The hook/melody of Staring At The Sun would have made it a monster hit, but it never was because the lyrics were vague and weak while the video was nothing catchy.

-The line from Wake Up Dead Man "if there's an order in all of this disorder, is it like a tape recorder, can we rewind it?" is quite prophetic. U2 eventually admitted POP was unfinished (hence disorder) and have been remixing it (rewinding it).

-The first two songs of the album start out as if it makes you all jumpy, but then the album gets serious and gloomy and leaves you with an empty bitter feeling culminating with the desolate barren picture painted by Wake Up Dead Man.

-POP has blood on the tracks. It is a much more serious album than people think.

The conclusion I have reached is that POP was a serious serious album but its severity and depth were intentionally hidden with all the drum machines, techno babble, loops and sampling. Thus, POP was unfinished in the sense that when it was released, U2 had not yet stripped the album into its core message. U2 was still in defense mechanism mode, trying to downplay the blood on the tracks.

With the release of the new mixes, U2 have attempted to open up the songs more, focus on the band and away from the drum machines and samples (hence the absence of the "boom" in Discotheque). Sure opening up the songs are good and will help highlight the song.

But in the end, the original album versions are better because it shows the conflict and contradiction within the band just like Achtung Baby. The serious lyrics of the songs in the backdrop of samples and drum machines is such a contradiction. U2 is all about contradiction. It shows the hidden beauty of the album and its timeless appeal. The album versions show the many layers of U2 whereas the new mixes are just mere manufactured pre-packaged versions.

So I think the original POP is a much better listen that making a "rebuilt" POP. The original POP is greatly underrated and misunderstood - misunderstood even by U2 themselves. But isn't that the beauty of it all - in finding an order in all of the disorder?

Cheers,

J
The King Of POP
 
jick said:

So I think the original POP is a much better listen that making a "rebuilt" POP. The original POP is greatly underrated and misunderstood - misunderstood even by U2 themselves. But isn't that the beauty of it all - in finding an order in all of the disorder?
haha, well, you're going to get into trouble with the "underrated and misunderstood" comment, but I pretty much have the same theory as you -- as ridiculous as it sounds -- with respect to the band's relationship to this particular album, i.e., I feel the band may have miscalculated in declaring the album "unfinished."

Interesting theory on the remixes.

I agree that Do You Feel Loved is a great song. One of my all time favorites.

"POP has blood on the tracks. It is a much more serious album than people think."
I think many people here would agree that the album is dark as hell.
 
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jick said:


-Playboy Mansion is clever and witty, something Wild Honey tried to be but failed miserably


:confused:

I'm not sure I'm following there - isn't Playboy Mansion considered more spiritual in its nature than Wild honey (one of their earthiest songs)?

Personally I liked the new Best of mixes and [/] the original songs. (I slightly prefer the new versions of Discotheque and Gone)
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:
mofo actually has been remixed like a thousand times
Yeah, but by third parties without the guidance of the band. Whereas the other remixes he listed heavily involved the band.
 
Hey J ? a couple years ago you made an excellent mix of Stuck (combining the album version and the acoustic version). Can you make available the .wav file? Have made any other U2 mixes? On a related note:

PopMart Setlist Analysis

Just some thinking out loud and some fun. A first draft and maybe others have suggestions to improve it. Maybe one day I?ll put together a CD-R of this different setlist. Great Tour - great performances - great stage and visuals but I?ve always wondered why they threw in older ?hit? songs and particularly so early into the concert. Did they not disturb the vibe, flow, and the theme of the concert? A discotheque and much more ? the supermarket / the shopping mall / the new popularity of casinos / TV / Internet / consumerism / materialism / entertainment / sensory overload / all of the distractions obsessions addictions and substitutes for love and God. Tour preparations were rushed. Early on they may have struggled with songs such as Do You Feel Loved and If God Will Send His Angels but why not stick it out and perfect them. I would have preferred if they spent more time working them out in sound checks? I have read interpretations that said that they were replaced with the ?hits? because the album and the Tour were not selling well. I have nothing against Pride, New Year?s Day, etc. but I would have preferred them placed later on in the concert. For example, the older ?hits? could have gone between Mysterious Ways and One. One thing that I liked about the ZOOTV Tour was that they for a good chunk of it opened with 8 songs in a row from Achtung Baby.

Pop Muzik Intro
1.) MOFO
2.) Holy Joe (Guilty Mix interpretation) - I Will Follow (lyrically linked to Mofo / fine / but?.)
3.) Even Better Than The Real Thing
4.) Do You Feel Loved
5.) Daddy?s Gonna Pay For Your Crashed Car
6.) Last Night On Earth
7.) Until The End Of The World
8.) Dirty Day
9.) Gone
10.) If God Will Send His Angels
[I Still Haven?t Found What I?m Looking For (could have fit well here following Angels / lyrically connected to the theme of PopMart ?turning a shopping mall into a cathedral?]

B STAGE

11.) Playboy Mansion
12.) Staring At The Sun
13.) Karaoke song

Happiness Is A Warm Gun (The Gun Mix) with a video on the PopMart screen while The Edge heads back to the stage

14.) Miami
15.) Bullet The Blue Sky
16.) Please
17.) Where The Streets Have No Name

Lemon (The Perfecto Mix)

ENCORE I

18.) Discotheque
19.) If You Wear That Velvet Dress
20.) With Or Without You

ENCORE II

21.) Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me
22.) Mysterious Ways
23.) One
24.) Wake Up Dead Man
 
And for fun:

A POP DOUBLE ALBUM

DISC 1

1. Pop Muzik (PopMart Mix Radio Edit) (4:04)
2. Discotheque (Hexidecimal Mix ? Best Of edit)
3. MOFO (Phunk Phorce mix ? edit) or another mix?
4. ?First Night In Hell? (Instrumental Mix of Last Night On Earth)
5. ?Heaven In Your Heart? (the Howie B Hairy B Mix of Discotheque)
6. Holy Joe (Guilty Mix)
7. Big Girls Are Best
8. Air Suspension (Bono / Adam Dorn)
9. Little Black Dress (Friday / Bono / The Edge)
10. Theme From Let?s Go Native
11. Children Of The Revolution (Bono / Friday / Seezer)
12. Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me
13. Do You Feel Loved
14. Dirty Day (Junk Day Mix)
15. Discotheque (Best Of 90s Mix)
16. MOFO
17. Miami
18. Happiness Is A Warm Gun (The Gun Mix)

DISC 2

1. Playboy Mansion
2. Staring At The Sun (Best Of 90s Mix)
3. Last Night On Earth (Single version)
4. Gone (Best Of 90s Mix)
5. Two Shots Of Happy One Shot Of Sad
6. If You Wear That Velvet Dress (Jools Holland version)
7. Hallelujah (Bono)
8. Your Blue Room
9. Slow Dancing (U2 with Willie Nelson)
10. Dreaming With Tears In My Eyes (Bono and Larry)
11. Tomorrow (Bono / Adam)
12. Stay (Craig Armstrong Version)
13. North And South Of The River
14. I?m Not Your Baby (The End Of Violence Soundtrack)
15. Please (Single version)
16. If God Will Send His Angels (Single version)
17. Wake Up Dead Man
 
Oh J, J, J...

You crack me up dude!

Didn't you used to write on Wire about how Pop was no good?

Or maybe I misunderstood you back then...pretty easily done on Wire! ;)

I've never actually had a problem with ANY of U2's releases, each is individually strong on its own. I'll admit it took me longer to warm to Pop than say War, but it has a permanent spot in my rotation now, believe me.

What especially did it for me was Gone, Please, Staring At the Sun, LNOE when I heard these done LIVE!! WOW!

DYFL is also an underrated tune IMO...probably coulda got more play than even Discotechque...but that's probably arguable..

G
 
jick said:
Do You Feel Loved is a great song, should have been a single.

Please is a far far cry from the Popmart live or single version.

Couldn't agree with you more. DYFL is one of the best songs of that album, along with Please... which surfaced as one of the best translations from studio to live performance.

The first two songs of the album start out as if it makes you all jumpy, but then the album gets serious and gloomy and leaves you with an empty bitter feeling culminating with the desolate barren picture painted by Wake Up Dead Man.

Exactly. Maybe that's what confused people... isn't an album titled Pop supposed to make me feel good about how everything is... status quo tally ho? There's that contradiction thing again... maybe it was an album that didn't need tinkering with.

:up:
 
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cujo said:
Exactly. Maybe that's what confused people... isn't an album titled Pop supposed to make me feel good about how everything is... status quo tally ho? There's that contradiction thing again... maybe it was an album that didn't need tinkering with.

:up: [/B]

Well the 1990s U2 was always regarded as U2s "ironic" period so the title Pop is just part of the irony I guess and also to refer to the fact that on the album they were using popular music styles like dance and techno in the production of the songs.
 
I personally think the original Pop album was better.

Discotheque new mix feels watered down...it does not have the power or authenticity of the original version.

Gone new mix is very good though but the original mix was fine anyway. Same goes for SATS.
 
Re: Re: Re: POP Rebuilt then revisited.

TheDaddy said:
Well the 1990s U2 was always regarded as U2s "ironic" period so the title Pop is just part of the irony I guess and also to refer to the fact that on the album they were using popular music styles like dance and techno in the production of the songs.

That's what I meant. By that time people still didn't know what ironic ideas were (I guess my paraphrase of Joe MusicBuyer wasn't clear)... and Alanis didn't help the general public much in that regard. Maybe my facetiousness did not come across well.

:up:Pop:up:

Yeah, that's right I said it.
 
Red Ships of Scalla-Festa said:
jick i thought you hated pop
It was just your thought. Think again. I decided to revisit POP after 6 years (see my first post) and viola! I ain't the King Of POP for nothing!

Cheers,

J
The King Of POP
 
I always thought of POP as my favorite album, but not U2's best. That said, Do You Feel Loved is one of my favorite songs, and it's a shame they don't play it live anymore. I believe it hurt Bono's voice too much so thats why it was dropped quickly on the POPMART tour.

Mofo was terrific live, just a kickass song...

Staring at the Sun I must say I like the POP Album version better than the new mix. Something about the new mix that makes me like the older version more... can't quite put my finger on it.

Last Night on Earth is just an awesome song...and, as any U2 song, made even better live.

I believe that the new mix of Gone is better, as its more of an accurate depiction on how the band played it live. The Edge's vocals brought out a little more as with Bono's guitar. Overall, thats also a kickass song.

Miami i can't say I care for too much though... but I used to hate it till I heard it live. When played live, its 1000x better than the album version, which I still don't care for.

The playboy mansion IMO is a pretty good little witty song... for some reason it just reminds me of being lazy.

Please is one of U2's finest songs, plain and simple.

If you Wear that Velvet Dress & Wake Up Dead man have a lot of potential, but are obviously unfinished buisness. I always liked Wake up Dead man, but it kills me that I know that that song could have been far better than it is.

And for the POPmart tour... HMTMKMKM was just flat out kickass too... that song definitly needs to come back and U2 needs to play that puppy live again...
 
Actually, POP was my faorite U2 album and I thought it was one of their best. But recently I have been listening to thier old stuff a long with ATYCLB and I would have to say POP is one of thier worst. Yes it was more adveturous but still really not a good album when compared to their others.
 
I always felt POP would have been more appreciated if they didn't promote it the way they did, and if they didn't have such a huge tour for it.

I think all the hype overshadowed the album.
 
Yeah, not to mention that the hype made the "irony" of the themes look a bit stale.
 
- I LOVE the remixed "Gone" and the remake of "Velvet Dress", but the rest of the mixes are neither improvements nor disasters. It's fun to have different versions though.

- I don't see at all why Wild Honey needs to be compared with Playboy Mansion. Wild Honey is an unpretentious breezy romantic song with simple lyrics and country flavour, while Playboy Mansion is Bono's attempt at clever-clever lyrics which IMO he can't pull off at all.

- HMTMKMKM was fantastic live, but I don't think it will come back; it really belongs to the U2's glitzy 90s era.
 

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