Desire4Bono said:
You see, there is a group of people here who are really big 'popsters' and they are so abrasive and overbearing to the ones who don't like it, treating them like there is something wrong with them, insulting them and flaming them until they give up.
*ahem* as you said in a later post, yes, both sides do need to chill. however, i think you're giving the pro-pop people a bad rap. and yes, anti-pop threads HAVE been started recently. i believe jick himself has started at least two anti-pop threads. just because they're not titled "why i think pop sucks the big one" doesn't change the fact. and i've seen quite a bit of flaming and insulting come from the atyclb camp.
and besides, us mods have been hinting that ALL of this crap really needs to settle down. and as you mentioned, when, e.g., salome brings it up, it goes unnoticed by the people it's directed at. hell, now there's this thread. i mentioned much earlier, on page one, that i'm sick and tired of it. all this pop vs. atyclb stuff is old and tired. it's been argued to death and the same outcome occurs every time. it's a shocker, too: everyone's entitled to their own opinion! we're all allowed to express it, it just seems some can't keep it to themselves enough and must start thread after thread of anything dealing with either album. and here i thought all of page one of EYKIW would be all about the electrical storm and the new greatest hits. it's finally getting there, i think. and i'm all for it. enough of living in the past and rehashing years-old debates about which album is better, when there's no right or wrong answer.
Pop was perhaps the worst move of U2's career. No one can accurately say that ATYCLB was, because it sold more, was better recieved by more fans, the public, the media, and was better accepted all around. I didn't see Pop U2 asked to do the Super Bowl or NBA halftime.
hey now. sales don't neccessarily add up to an album being better. i'm sure everyone can think of an album that's a work of art and didn't sell millions. and the worst thing is, pop DID sell millions! sure, for many it was bought purely on hype, that it was the first new U2 record in four years. but maybe it taught people to not buy things sight unseen, especially with a band like U2 who's always constantly changing. if they were expecting achtung baby 2 they should've known that they don't repeat themselves.
oh, and to get all technical, i didn't see the joshua tree U2, or achtung baby U2, which i'm sure many fans in and out of the forums would argue that one or both is some of their greatest works, weren't asked to do the super bowl or nba halftime. just because 2000 marked the first times they ventured into doing saturday night live, the super bowl, etc. doesn't mean it was because of sales. sure, the phenomenal sales got them the offers, but U2 decided to take the publicity thing by storm. (no, i'm not saying U2 sold out, because frankly, imo, they didn't.)
Oh, and I would not be a bit surprised if the poll were fixed. 
ATYCLB did win in the rating poll last month.
that's just low. the only people who could "fix" a poll is the mods (of this forum only), as we have access to the votes and such, and can edit polls. i can only speak for myself, but i don't think this poll is so important to any of us that we'd FIX a freaking album poll. i hope you were joking when you said that, as it's such a preposterous thing. as it's been mentioned, these polls are by no means scientific. at the very least, new members have joined since the rating poll last month, and the one before that, etc. new people have voted, and people who voted in previous polls probably didn't vote in this one.
U2LA said:
and is J the same J from Wire? If he is...he will be stirring up all kinds of caca!
yes, yes it is.
I must be on a different forum. I have never seen this happen here before. All I have seen is some people laying into POP as if it's the worst thing on earth, and those who like it defending it. I haven't seen anybody trying to force their opinion on anyone. 
Great idea! Well, at the moment I have all my U2 CDs in random rotation on my computer. Very interesting way to listen...one minute it's Stories for Boys, and the next it's Gone!
