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Old 07-26-2007, 12:11 PM   #21
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Mofo is just the most kickass song U2 have made I absolutely love it! these two are among my faves
Absolutely.

The Pop Mart intro........"Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop muzik..."
I saw that tour, incredible.
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"Pop begins on a high. 'Discotheque' is bright, contemporary and in your face. At least on the surface, it is a hedonistic celebration of the ephemral, build around a big, 'phat' upful beat. But from that acknowledgement of worldy addictions on, the record journeys down - from dance to despair. It may have been planned differently, but in the final analysis of Pop presents us with a bleak picture indeed, portraying a world devoid of sense or values, teetering on the brink of collapse." <-- from U2 Into the Heart
wow, huh? did you ever notice that? how pop starts off with all these techno songs that are fast and upbeat (disco, mofo, do you feel loved), and then it transitions down until the last few songs are slow and sad? deep, huh? everything's cool and shiny at first, but the cold hard reality is cruel.
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Re: Pop is seriously good shit.

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When I came home I spent most of my pre-Pop time listening to AtomicBono's endless ramblings about Pop (which I now know were all pretty justified )
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT BITCHES UNNNGHHH THOSE WHO DIE ARE JUSTIFIED



Well I don't know if I need to add more about Pop. I haven't listened to it much lately because I've been listening to so much other music, but it still is and likely always will be my favourite album.

I'm glad you dig Do You Feel Loved. It's been the most played song on my iPod for over two years now. There's something about it...I'm always in the mood for it, no matter what. It works if you're in a I'm-a-badass mood or a The-world-fucking-sucks mood or whatever.

Mofo is U2's most badass song though. The first three songs on Pop are probably what I listen to the most...strongest opening trio ever. But I love every song on it. I'd probably rate Miami and The Playboy Mansion slightly lower than everything else on the album, like maybe 8/10, but everything else is 10/10 (or higher )

tuwie - good point (and good quote). I'd say it's U2's darkest record - yes, even moreso than Achtung Baby. Even the fun opening of Discotheque has some rather disheartening lyrics. "You take what you can get/'cause it's all that you can find/But you know there's something more..." Quite easy to get in the head of a character becoming lost within worldy pleasures, indulging and trying to be happy, but never really filling in the emptiness. Reminds me of Bloc Party's "Song For Clay (Disappear Here)."

I find it interesting that NME gave Pop an 8/10 rating, and Rolling Stone gave it 4/5. Mojo called it "the first must-hear record of 1997." What a fucking failure of a record, eh? Clearly the critics hated it...

interesting review from Slant magazine written in 2004: http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/m...iew.asp?ID=200 4 out of 5 stars. Also, its rating on Amazon is 4 out of 5 stars. Doesn't sound like a failure to me
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freaky, I'm reading this thread, and suddenly wmp plays Do You Feel Loved!



*searches guitar tab*

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Pop is a very, very good album.

It could have been great if it wasn't for the truely awfulness of:

Discotheque,
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Playboy Mansion.

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Pop is a solid 7. Nice effort by U2.
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i only have 1 more thing to add..................
MMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, Cobl I Always thought it was!! My Faves? Mofo/disco!!and Miami,cool!! Good taste!
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Come On people! Show some more love for Miami! Freakin' Great Song, One of the best I've ever heard in my life. Completely original, unlike alot of their newer stuff.
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Popmart > Pop

They figured them out later. On the album? They screwed it up.
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MOFO is the most beautiful word in the U2 dictionary... and the most kick ass, too...

women should fall on your feet just by saying it
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Popmart > Pop

They figured them out later. On the album? They screwed it up.
quoted simply to save myself time because I basically agree with that but not entirely!
[edit - scratch that i've not saved myself any time at all since I've gone and written a mini essay below... ]

I don't know what it is about Pop, when I hear the name I always think "no." as if the mere thought of listening to the album is repulsive but when I listen to it it's always sounds great and I love it even though it's clearly not "done"!
I loved it when I first bought it and listened to it lots despite not completely enjoying some songs I'd already heard live versions of. A majority of the songs definitely sounded outstanding live compared to the studio versions, especially "Last Night On Earth" from Mexico City.

But for some reason I ended up resenting the album because of how it sounded compared to what the songs became live and I'm guilty of just mouthing off needlessly about it.

It's just quite a sad thing that some of U2's greatest songs ended up the way they did, the album deserves a hell of a lot better. In the past I'd always get easily bugged when I read all the posts here saying it's their best album and anyone who disagrees is a liar.

I wouldn't go as far to say it's their best album, but on the other hand anyone who says it's a crap album can't be WRONG exactly as it's all a matter of opinion but I personally believe [despite all the things I've said in the past] that song-wise it's definitely right up there with the best of them it's just the way it was haphazardly done and wrapped up to meet deadlines! The album that could have been would have been nothing short of amazing had they just stuck with it, I'm trying to imagine a re-working of Mofo to how it sounded live!

First time I heard that song was on the Mexico City video and I was absolutely blown away from when that synth-line started to when Edge lets out that fantastic 'squeal' on his guitar and beyond! By this point the only U2 i owned was The Joshua Tree and The Best of 80-90 so this completely 'Alien' music [by U2 standards] was a real kick in the nuts to hear at 12-13 years old!

I'm digressing here, but in short - COBL04, as usual you are right! I love when you get a new U2 album and create a thread as you sort of remind me of my enthusiasm for getting more and more U2 when there was still songs by them I hadn't heard!!

Still love Pop, was a moron for criticising it and welcome any improvements, remixing they may do in the future to get the amazing sounds they were making as Popmart got properly underway!
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Pop is love.

Discotheque - 4.5/5
Do You Feel Loved? - 5/5
Mofo - 4.5/5
IGWSHA - 4.5/5
Staring At The Sun - 4/5
Last Night On Earth - 5/5
Gone - 4.5/5
Miami - 3/5
The Playboy Mansion - 4.5/5
IYWTVD - 4.5/5
Please - 4/5
Wake Up Dead Man - 5/5
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Me Loves me some PoP!!!

Discotheque - 5.5 Not a great U2 song.
Do You Feel Loved? - 8.5
Mofo - 9.5
IGWSHA - 7.5 Seems unfinished
Staring At The Sun - 7.5 OK song
Last Night On Earth - 9
Gone - 10
Miami - 7
The Playboy Mansion - 7.5
IYWTVD - 7.5
Please - 9
Wake Up Dead Man - 9
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i never really appreciated Please until i heard it live.
it's a gem <3
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Said it before, will keep on saying it. Pop is their last ROCK album, their last album which wasn't paint-by-numbers.

Larry and Adam went away after Zoo and took music lessons, and it showed. They had some new tricks and wanted to show them off. Edge didn't give a crap about sounding like Edge and just created. Bono's lyrics were some of his best ever. Angst seems to bring out the best in him. Raw, incomplete, but from the heart and soul and all the better for it. Everything has been a wee bit sterile since then. Squeaky clean and polished for the casual visitor who might drop by.

Patchy at times, miami es[rcially really came alive live, if there was ever a case for debugging a song live before committing to tape, that's the one.

It's no AB or JT, but its the bes tof the 2nd tier.

Was watching the Floyd Classic Albums thing the other day for Dark Side, one of the things they attribute to the success of many of the songs was that they had played them live for some time and already worked out the kinks. Would be nice if U2 had the cojones ot do that, but I don't see it happening, might not be perfect you know.........
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Discotheque - 10
Do You Feel Loved - 9
Mofo - 9
If God Will Send His Angels - 8
Staring At the Sun - 6
Last Night on Earth - 8
Gone - 9
Miami - 5
The Playboy Mansion - 5
If You Wear That Velvet Dress - 5
Please - 8
Wake Up Dead Man - 9
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for me POP was a love-hate-love affair...for nearly 7 years after the release... i really fought hard with the pop-songs...most problems i had with 'discotheque', 'staring at the sun' and 'last night on earth'. but i always loved MOFO, MIAMI and THE PLAYBOY MANSION... now the fight is over... POP is great as it is... please no re-recordings... the POPmart tour is 'state of the art' as it are the ZooTV tours...
POP is the rough diamond in U2s catalogue...

@ShaunVox: its nice to have you back here on the forum. rock on
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Do You Feel Loved - 10
Newest entrance to my previously impenetrable top ten. Absolutely love it. The intro, the guitar, bass, drums are awesome but its Bono's vocals in the lead-in that make me love this song. For all the ladies out there? Do you love those verses?
With my fingers as you want them
With my nails under your hide
With my teeth at your back
And my tongue to tell you the sweetest lies

I reckon they're incredibly sexual. Love this song.



Please 9 - Didn't like it all that much in the past, now I think it's some of Bono's best vocals of the 90s, and for a song that doesn't end with a rush of energy the outro is sensational. Still trying to understand the film clip though lol
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Both songs are under-appreciated U2 classics, but I find Gone criminally over-rated. Good tune, but nothing remarkable.....

And Miami is toooo cooool......cause some places are like yer aunty, but there's no place like MIAMI...my mammy....oh yeah!
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Re: Pop is seriously good shit.

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For all the ladies out there? Do you love those verses?
With my fingers as you want them
With my nails under your hide
With my teeth at your back
And my tongue to tell you the sweetest lies

I reckon they're incredibly sexual. Love this song.
Hell fucking yes

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Said it before, will keep on saying it. Pop is their last ROCK album, their last album which wasn't paint-by-numbers.

Larry and Adam went away after Zoo and took music lessons, and it showed. They had some new tricks and wanted to show them off. Edge didn't give a crap about sounding like Edge and just created. Bono's lyrics were some of his best ever. Angst seems to bring out the best in him. Raw, incomplete, but from the heart and soul and all the better for it. Everything has been a wee bit sterile since then. Squeaky clean and polished for the casual visitor who might drop by.
Couldn't have said it better myself.


Now, I'm late to this thread, but I've been busy and that's my excuse. But Pop's the album I'll never grow tired of talking about, so even though I'm really tired and it's probably not the best time to be giving the album another review, I'm going to give it another go:

Discotheque
Ah, what can one say about this song? If anything's to blame for this album not selling better, it was the Discotheque video. Personally, I love it, but I think it scared a lot of people
The song is rather groovy, and you can't kind of dance to it. The lyrics don't seem to be about anything deep, but there's an underlying desperation there.

Do You Feel Loved
Do you feel loved? Do you?! I certainly do. I love this song. Love is not even a strong enough word for it. The entire thing is sex. It has the best bassline ever, and in fact it was this song that made me start fancying Adam. The lyrics too are sexy, with an even sexier delivery. I could almost care less about Edge and Larry in this song, but of course they tie it all together.
Do You Feel Loved continues the album's progression into darkness, underneath all the rhythm and beats and sexual energy is a story about confusing love and sex. Look at the verse quoted at the top of this entry, the song describes all these rawly sexual acts and then asks 'Does this make you feel loved?' It seems to be about someone searching for love through rampant sex.

Mofo
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFOOOOOO! This song really kicked ass live, but the album version is pretty asskicky itself. Edge makes his guitar sound like a 747, Bono breaks out the ultra-deep lyrics and writes what is essentially a song about God, rock and roll, and his mother. How many other musicians would put such themes into such a KICKASS song, seriously?

If God Will Send His Angels
It took me a long time to get into this song, and it's still not one of my favourites. It's a good song, and I've gone through phases where I really, really liked it, but it just doesn't have long-standing appeal with me. I think perhaps it's the somberness of it that turns me off. One thing a lot of people don't know though, is that (according to Bono) the song is from the point of view of a guy beating up his girlfiend (or at least berrating her), and once you know that, it takes on a whole different twist.

Staring at the Sun
Not one of my favourites at all. It's good on a hot summer day, but other than that I usually don't listen to it (I love both videos though!) The song is not that interesting lyrically, aside from the middle eight which I love. The verse about the insect is particularly cringeworthy. And I just realized that I have no idea what this song is supposed to be about, or if it's even about anything at all.

Last Night on Earth
One of my all time favourites. This is truly U2's last rock song, I wish they'd go back to making music like this. Another one of the incredibly dark songs on Pop hiding beneath a shiny coating, this one's about a girl that's living wildly because she's getting ready to kill herself. It's also another one of the songs that was just incredible live. This song is home to one of my favourite U2 lines: "She hasn't been to bed in a week, she'll be dead soon, then she'll sleep" I feel like that line is about me.

Gone
This is my second favourite U2 song ever (used to be my most favourite, but Zooropa pounded it to death in a bloody brawl.) Bono has said that when he wrote this song, he felt like he was writing the last song he'd ever write, and you can really tell. He's pouring himself into the lyrics in a way that he hadn't done since Acrobat. The bitterness and sorrow and defiance in the song are almost palpable. It is a simply incredible song.

Miami
I will defend this song to the grave. I hate when people say this song has stupid lyrics? So what? Who says every song has to freaking be Streets? It's just a fun song, a little postcard of a trip to Miami with some cheesy lyrics. Is that really such a bad song? I love this song so much. The first half of it is just the buildup, it don't matter, it's when you hit that killer riff before the bridge when the song really comes alive. And how sexy is that bridge? Only song in the world to ever make me wanna go get knocked up in a photobooth in Miami. That alone makes the song awesome. The "MIAMI! MY MAMMY!" scream is also awesome in a ridiculous way.

The Playboy Mansion
Least favourite track on the album. Bless em, they tried. I appreciate the sentiment behind the song, there's a good message there, but it just suffers from boringness. The porn music at the beginning is a great touch though (took me forever to realize what it was though... I guess I don't watch enough porn), I like the latter portion of the song though, "and though I can't say why, I know I've got to believe" I love that line.

If You Wear That Velvet Dress
Amazingly seductive song, oddly enough about not giving into sexual temptation. The music starts out simple and atmospheric, and then there's this great beat that kicks in and sounds exactly like a heartbeat, and then the rest comes together, but it's still simple and ultra smooth, and the focus is still on Bono's incredible delivery. It's an incredibly gorgeous song, although the sexiness of the Jools Holland version has far overshadowed the original.

Please
I'm not into this song like I probably should be. I blame my mother's bizarre obsession with the music video. I can't deny that it's a great song though. It's another one of those songs that just builds and builds into a great climax. The middle eight is that great climax, made even more awesome by the eerieness of the lyrics post-9/11.

Wake Up Dead Man
Anybody that went around calling Pop a "dance album" probably didn't get past the third track, and certainly didn't get to the last one. The opening lines are so striking "Jesus, Jesus help me, I'm alone in this world, and a fucked up world it is too" Those lines make some people uncomfortable, but I think they're perfectly raw. The song would not have the impact it does if that sentiment were sugarcoated in any way. This song is so sad and angry, but it's understandable. Most people have been in that place of depression and anger at God. I love the "listen to the words" section, as it seems to almost be instruction to step back and calm down and listen for God's comfort, because it's there. This song is also noteable for the amount of stuff that's hidden in it. It's U2's answer to Revolution 9.


Now see, I can't rank songs or give them ratings, but I can talk about them til I'm blue in the face.

As a whole, I of course love the album, there are a few weak spots, but I think it's underrated by the majority simply because people negatively focus on those weak spots, and on any of its strangeness or differentness, and tend not to focus on the fact that Pop has some of Bono's absolute best lyrics.

I know it annoys some people the way we PopTarts continually gush about the awesomeness of the album, but personally... I just think it's such a good album that it bothers me when people don't seem to see that. Just like I'm sure it bothers the rest of you when people don't like Achtung Baby (okay, it's really only one person, and his name is Axver )
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