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Old 12-18-2004, 03:12 PM   #76
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You can't dumb down every guitar part in a song to "a riff" or "a solo." It's just a fancy variant of the chorus part that he does for the last chorus.

But it's definitely not a solo if it's done during the chorus.


New Year's Day has a solo. Even Better Than the Real Thing has a solo. The Fly has a solo. The studio version of Gone does not have a solo. As I said before, it's not really a riff and it's not really a solo - it's a combination of the two. And the fact that it doesn't stand out implies that it wasn't meant to. Guitar solos generally tend to stand out so I really don't think that the section can be classified as one.
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You can't dumb down every guitar part in a song to "a riff" or "a solo." It's just a fancy variant of the chorus part that he does for the last chorus.

But it's definitely not a solo if it's done during the chorus.

Do you call it a drum solo if you happen to like the drum part during a (real) guitar solo?
A fancy guitar part that's 22 seconds long and starts in the bridge? Is never repeated anywhere else in the song? Do you ID a guitar solo as only the guitar playing? It's a solo. I'm sorry the presence of vocals throws you off.
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New Year's Day has a solo. Even Better Than the Real Thing has a solo. The Fly has a solo. The studio version of Gone does not have a solo. As I said before, it's not really a riff and it's not really a solo - it's a combination of the two. And the fact that it doesn't stand out implies that it wasn't meant to. Guitar solos generally tend to stand out so I really don't think that the section can be classified as one.
Well, it's a solo.
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A fancy guitar part that's 22 seconds long and starts in the bridge? Is never repeated anywhere else in the song?
Yes, exactly. It is not uncommon for the guitar to be less restrained during the final chorus. It's also a variant of the main riff and supports the chorus (solos don't support jack).

"In music, solo means to play alone. This does not necessarily mean that no one else is playing at that time, only that the soloist's part is the most prominent."

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_%28music%29)

When it says that other people can be playing, that means Adam and Larry.

Edge's part is not nearly as prominent as Bono's. It is not a solo.

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Well, it's a solo.


No, it isn't! As a general rule, guitar solos consist of more than four notes! To prove the point, here is just a general overview of the notes Edge is playing:

Code:
e|---------------------------|
B|--11-----11--9-------------|
G|------8----------6--6/8----|
D|---------------------------|
A|---------------------------|
E|---------------------------|
AND HE PLAYS IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. At one point, he plays a TINY portion of the main riff, before going into those same four notes again. IT IS NOT A SOLO!
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Yes, exactly. It is not uncommon for the guitar to be less restrained during the final chorus. It's also a variant of the main riff and supports the chorus (solos don't support jack).

"In music, solo means to play alone. This does not necessarily mean that no one else is playing at that time, only that the soloist's part is the most prominent."

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solo_%28music%29)

When it says that other people can be playing, that means Adam and Larry.

Edge's part is not nearly as prominent as Bono's. It is not a solo.

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No, it isn't! As a general rule, guitar solos consist of more than four notes! To prove the point, here is just a general overview of the notes Edge is playing:

Code:
e|---------------------------|
B|--11-----11--9-------------|
G|------8----------6--6/8----|
D|---------------------------|
A|---------------------------|
E|---------------------------|
AND HE PLAYS IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. At one point, he plays a TINY portion of the main riff, before going into those same four notes again. IT IS NOT A SOLO!
Wrong. What's you piece of tab supposed to prove? You didn't even hear the part until i mentioned it earlier in this thread.
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Wrong. What's you piece of tab supposed to prove? You didn't even hear the part until i mentioned it earlier in this thread.
The tab proves the fact that it is NOT a solo. Here is a tab of a real solo (tabbed by someone else at the guitar archive):

Code:
e-----------------------------------------------------------------------
B--20--20--19--15--17(hold)s/---------------20--20--19--15--12(hold)s/--
G-----------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B---20--19--15--17--20--20--19--15--------15--15--14--14--12--12--10--10-
G------------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B--8--8--7--7--5--5--3--3s/5----------s/10--9--7--5------s/10--9--7--9---
G------------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B-13b(14)-13b(14)--13b(14)--13b(14)--s/14--14-12-12-12s/10--10s/9--9h10--9-7-
G----------------------------------------------------------------------------

e--------------------------------------------------------------------------
B--5---5h7---s/9--7--5--7--7s/9--7--5--5h7--7s/9--7--5h7-----5--5--7--7--9--9
G----------------------------------------------------------------------------

e-----------------------------------------------
B--10--10--12--12--14--14--15--15--17--17-------
G-----------------------------------------------
And you know why I didn't even recognize the part you indicated? BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SOLO. Solos stand out. That section is so forgettable and QUIET in the mix, that I hardly think twice about it when I'm listening to the song. It just melds into the rest of the music.
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The tab proves the fact that it is NOT a solo. Here is a tab of a real solo (tabbed by someone else at the guitar archive):

Code:
e-----------------------------------------------------------------------
B--20--20--19--15--17(hold)s/---------------20--20--19--15--12(hold)s/--
G-----------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B---20--19--15--17--20--20--19--15--------15--15--14--14--12--12--10--10-
G------------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B--8--8--7--7--5--5--3--3s/5----------s/10--9--7--5------s/10--9--7--9---
G------------------------------------------------------------------------

e------------------------------------------------------------------------
B-13b(14)-13b(14)--13b(14)--13b(14)--s/14--14-12-12-12s/10--10s/9--9h10--9-7-
G----------------------------------------------------------------------------

e--------------------------------------------------------------------------
B--5---5h7---s/9--7--5--7--7s/9--7--5--5h7--7s/9--7--5h7-----5--5--7--7--9--9
G----------------------------------------------------------------------------

e-----------------------------------------------
B--10--10--12--12--14--14--15--15--17--17-------
G-----------------------------------------------
And you know why I didn't even recognize the part you indicated? BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SOLO. Solos stand out. That section is so forgettable and QUIET in the mix, that I hardly think twice about it when I'm listening to the song. It just melds into the rest of the music.
You're silly.
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You're silly.
This discussion is silly. I've been playing the guitar for a long time now, so I think I'm a fairly good judge of what is a solo and what isn't. If you want to believe that what can only be classified as a glorified riff is a solo, then do so. I'm not going to waste any more time on this.

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This discussion is silly. I've been playing the guitar for a long time now, so I think I'm a fairly good judge of what is a solo and what isn't. If you want to believe that what can only be classified as a glorified riff is a solo, then do so. I'm not going to waste any more time on this.

Have a nice day.
I've been playing the guitar for 10 years. It's a solo.
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Up and at 'em Mr Brau!!!!
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New Year's Day has a solo. Even Better Than the Real Thing has a solo. The Fly has a solo. The studio version of Gone does not have a solo. As I said before, it's not really a riff and it's not really a solo - it's a combination of the two. And the fact that it doesn't stand out implies that it wasn't meant to. Guitar solos generally tend to stand out so I really don't think that the section can be classified as one.
I agree. I just listened to Gone again a couple times and I don't see that as a solo at all. I only consider solo's to be something that stands out by itself, hence the word solo. Bono's voice is meant to be the prominant "instrument" here, not the guitar riff.
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Hola amigos

As I said before, I never believed Pop was "unfinished". I still think many fans believe that just because U2 said that

I´m sure if the band would have said "ATYCLB is unfinished" every fan would be talking about how unfinished is ATYCLB.

Pop is Pop because it was the last U2 ALBUM for me ( I don´t know if you don´t get me wrong, but for me an ALBUM doesn´t mean 11 or 12 putting togheter, like ATYCLB or HTDAAB )

Every "new mix" from Best of 1990 - 2000 is a disaster . Single versions from the songs are great

I think the album was released as it was intended, really.
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I don't anything about what IS a solo and what isn't
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