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Old 12-17-2004, 09:55 PM   #61
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They cut the guitar solo out. You think it makes it stronger?
Which guitar solo? The original studio version of Gone doesn't have a solo?

The only thing I wish they had left there was what Larry plays just before that slow part starts! That should have stayed.
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Which guitar solo? The original studio version of Gone doesn't have a solo?

The only thing I wish they had left there was what Larry plays just before that slow part starts! That should have stayed.
3:18-3:40. Under Bono's vocal Edge plays one of his best solos.
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They cut the guitar solo out. You think it makes it stronger?
I assume you mean the live solo? Well... the new mix is still a vast improvement over the Pop version that had no solo. I also like the fact that Edge's backing vocals are in there. It would have been nice if U2 played the new mix the way they do it live, but at least you've got something to look forward to when they do play it live. It's not just a regurgitation of the album, which would be boring. I think something similar will happen with Love and Peace or Else when they play it on the tour. That song is just too cool not to add a longer solo to the end of it.

Edit: Okay, I see where you're coming from in your response to TheBrazillianFly. But it's so quiet that you basically forget about it. They could have cranked Edge's amp up to 11 on the Pop version, but they didn't, so we're not really missing anything. Also, it's not really a solo. I'd classify that as halfway between a riff and a solo.
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I miss it.
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I miss it.
Meh. It's one of those things that, to me, doesn't make or break the song. It's great stuff by Edge, but it doesn't bother me that they left it out, because as a whole, the new mix has the extra oomph that the album version was missing.
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3:18-3:40. Under Bono's vocal Edge plays one of his best solos.
I never saw that as a solo since Bono sings over it, more like effects that suited that moment better or something but yeah I understand. I think the Best Of Mix was to sound more to what they play live rather than a perfect combination of live and studio. But in a way this is good for the new fan that is just finding those songs out, he is going to have many versions to fall in love with. But it would have been interesting to have that part on the new mix... maybe someone from Interference could do that and add that drum part I talked about that is missing and that can be found on the original version....
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Well, the music may have more oomph...but the lacking vocal costs the song a lot. Bono's voice is a lot stronger now than it was then, and even on Pop it was stronger than when they did the Best of...that must have been his vocal low...

As far as the other 2 Pop songs that they did on the Best of...Staring is interresting but not as good as the original, and of course the acoustic is the best.
Discotheque...I would like the New Mix better IF they had kept Boom-cha! I cannot live without Boom-cha!

The new version of Numb is better, but thats Zooropa.

I don't like the idea of putting City on Pop. There may have been a version that they were kicking around back then, but obviously it was only finished recently. Also, why put a song on an album thats already on another album? If I want to hear songs from Atomic Bomb, I do own 3 copies of that album, I don't need to turn to Pop for that...
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Meh. It's one of those things that, to me, doesn't make or break the song. It's great stuff by Edge, but it doesn't bother me that they left it out, because as a whole, the new mix has the extra oomph that the album version was missing.
The new mix would only be better if it were there.
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The Album is perfect already!
Leave it alone once and for all!
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I think the mix of Discotheque is better than the first one.

Make Mofo shorter, it's too long. They cut a verse in the live version, why not in a mix or something?
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I love Holy Joe....not sure how it would fit if it was added to POP tho..
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I think Holy Joe could fit by Discotheque and Do You Feel Loved? easily, both r very rockin songs and start the album w/ a bang
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3:18-3:40. Under Bono's vocal Edge plays one of his best solos.
Uh, it, by definition, isn't a solo if another part is more prominent.


Regarding which tracks make sense for inclusion on a revisionist Pop:

All the single versions ("Discotheque," "Last Night On Earth," "Please," "If God Will Send His Angels") are eligible.

The "Dirty Day" remixes don't make sense since they were mainly Butch Vig's projects and not the band's (not to mention that the "canon" version of the song is already on an album).

Other remixes from the period (any "Discotheque" and "Mofo" remixes) also don't make sense for inclusion since, again, they are musically mostly the work of the remixer. They're also usually much more dance-oriented than anything that'd make an album.

"I'm Not Your Baby" and "North and South of the River" are eligible, despite that they're collaborations (but so was "Love Rescue Me," and it made an album). I think they'd both fit in well musically too.

"Slow Dancing" works too if the Willie Nelson version was recorded in 1997 (although it wouldn't really fit in).

"Holy Joe" is eligible, the Garage Mix moreso than the Guilty Mix (the Garage Mix seems to be considered the normal version; it's how they played it live, for instance), although it might be too much of a straightforward rock song for the album (even "Last Night On Earth" and "Gone" were much spacier than it).

I wouldn't consider "Pop Muzik" and "Happiness Is A Warm Gun," though, since they never include studio covers on their albums.

"Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" and "Two Shots of Happy, One Shot of Sad" were both recorded in 1995, so you could argue their eligibility. I'd argue against it, though.

"Big Girls Are Best" and "City of Blinding Lights" aren't eligible because they weren't finished until other albums.

I honestly wouldn't include the Best of remixes of "Discotheque," "Staring at the Sun," and "Gone" since they were made so long after the album was released (especially considering that new parts were recorded for them), but I guess that's the point of this exercise. I find the "Staring at the Sun" remix particularly flat (the original mix was one of the more complete-feeling songs on the album anyway).

I haven't heard the iTunes stuff (downloading it now), so I dunno if any of it's "complete" enough.
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Uh, it, by definition, isn't a solo if another part is more prominent.
It's not the chorus riff, or the verse riff, or the bridge riff. It's a 22 second part, so it's too long to be considered a fill. So, um, what would you call it?
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You can't dumb down every guitar part in a song to "a riff" or "a solo." It's just a fancy variant of the chorus part that he does for the last chorus.

But it's definitely not a solo if it's done during the chorus (and no one would consider it a fill either, regardless of length, since, again, it's being played during the most prominent part of the entire song).

Do you call it a drum solo if you happen to like the drum part during a (real) guitar solo?
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