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Old 12-17-2004, 04:05 PM   #46
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POP's "failure"

Personally, I think the video to Discotheque is what turned people off to POP and to U2. The irony thing went too far. "Hold me, thrill me" was too good of a song to waste on a soundtrack. Imagine if that was the first release off the album...followed by SATS and the single version of Please or Gone. Even Discotheque...but no village people video needed.

So many of my friends & coworkers at the time - who mostly liked U2 - cited the video as the reason U2 had "lost it", were "gay" (I don't agree...just stating facts), and these people were turned off to U2 completely.

Personally, I like the album and was at the Clemson concert, which was one of the greatest times I've had at a U2 show. Please live leading up to Streets is one of the all time highlights for me, too.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:10 PM   #47
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Pop is great as it is. Leave it alone.
It is great! You're right. It is also great to have fun and mix these albums in a fresh light. There is no harm in that. My favorite, the Joshua Tree, I treat like the Bible itself. However, like the many versions of the Bible you see out there, I have a great double-album take on the Joshua Tree.
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Old 12-17-2004, 04:11 PM   #48
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This is my Pop:

Discotheque [new mix]
Do You Feel Loved
Mofo
Holy Joe [garage mix]
Levitate
Last Night On Earth [single version]
Staring at the Sun [new mix]
North and South of the River
Gone [new mix]
If You Wear that Velvet Dress
Please [single version]
Wake Up Dead Man

Just under 60 minutes. Levitate is here because of its whole techno vibe and even the lyrics "Spirit come on down/ No, I'm not coming down" feels taken from Gone. I really like Levitate on this album.
I like this one. I'm gonna burn a cd with this tracklist. I won't use the "NEW MIX" of Gone or SATS, I prefer the album ones, but nice list.
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Old 12-17-2004, 06:00 PM   #49
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I made a mix of POP recently myself. I didn't get picky about which take of each POP track to use, I just chose the most recent studio version and I inserted some B-sides that I thought added:

1. Discotheque (New Mix)
2. Do you feel loved?
3. Mofo
4.If God Will send his Angels (single mix)
5.North and South of the River
6.Staring at the Sun (New Mix)
7.Last Night on Earth (Single Mix)
8.Hapiness is a Warm Gun
9.Gone (New mix)
10.Miami
11.Holy Joe (guilty mix)
12.Two shots of Happy, one Shot of Sad
13.Playboy Mansion
14.If you Wear that Velvet Dress (Bono and Jools Holland version)
15.Please (Single mix)
16.Wake Up Deadman
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14.If you Wear that Velvet Dress (Bono and Jools Holland version)
Oh, that version is awesome! I would have loved if they had released Velvet Dress like that!
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Re: POP! as it was intended

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i have posted about this before on other forums, basically everyone knows that "pop" was never finished!
and when the band released singles from the album they were completely reworked as were songs on the last" best of " that were from "pop".

so ive compiled a version of "pop" with all the reworks and a few of the mixes from the singles.

basically its nearer to what the band intended .

here it is

"ALTERNATIVE POP"

1.Discotheque (new mix)
2.Holy joe
3.Mofo(phunk force mix)
4.If god will send his angels(single version)
5.Staring at the sun (new mix)
6.Last night on earth(single version)
7.Gone (new mix)
8.Please(single version)
9.North and south of the river
10.Slow dancing(bono and willie nelson)
11.Two shots of happy one of sad
12.Happiness is a warm gun
13.Big girls are best(cos its from the pop sessions)
14.Pop musik(popmart mix)
15.Dirty day(bitter kiss)
How is this nearer to what the band intended? How would you know their intentions?

I seriously doubt they would ever intend Slow Dancing, Two Shots, Happiness, Big Girls, Pop Musik, or Dirty Day on this album at all. It would have ruined Pop. Either they don't fit, their covers, or from the wrong era.
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To put it delicately, the new mixes of Discotheque and especially SATS suck ass.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel, bsp?
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Re: POP's "failure"

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"Hold me, thrill me" was too good of a song to waste on a soundtrack.
I don't know how "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" would have affected POP's sales or its overall perception but if not for it being on the Batman Forever soundtrack, HMTMKMKM would probably not been as huge as it was. By the way, I hated Batman Forever.
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Old 12-17-2004, 06:32 PM   #54
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It would have been cool to see Pop Muzik as the intro of POP. I wouldn't have minded if they added that?

If people are talking about including great POP era b-sides/ non-album tracks into the their mix, why are people leaving out I'm Not Your Baby? One of U2's better b-sides IMO. I believe that song would fit in more appropriately than some of the above songs even with Sinead singing.
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Old 12-17-2004, 08:29 PM   #55
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Redo Pop? No way!

Pop has one characteristic as a whole that makes it different from every other U2 album - it's just plain FUN! Yeah, you got Bono's cynical self poking through on some of the lyrics, but the other guys in the band overlay that with their own little quirks. As recently mentioned in another post, Please, a very serious song, has the most unique drum track Master Mullen's ever done. And Wake Up Dead Man is backed (on the album) by a running commentary of comedy. Heck, even the video for If God Would Send His Angels lightened up the heavy lyrics considerably. Not to mention the tour...

Go back and redo Pop? How could they? I can't recall the author or the book off the top of my head, but I remember reading a new foreword to an old book where the author states that he was asked by the publishing company to 'rewrite and update' the book. He refused to do, saying something to the effect that the book was a reflection of himself at the time of writing. He couldn't rewrite the novel and keep the feeling of it the same.

It's the same with Pop - if Larry (or whoever in the band) were to go back to that old material and try to remix it, 'rewrite' it so to speak, it would not be anything close to the same album. It would lose it's unique character and become an older man's views on his past. No thanks!

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I hate the new mixes of most of the Pop songs
Same, except maybe for the remix of Gone. It sounded a bit stronger to me.
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I thought the vocal on the "new" mix of Gone was weaker than the original.

I may have to think about how to work in I'm Not Your Baby to my mix. I'll have to take something off though..North and South maybe?
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Yes, the vocal is weaker. But the music is far superior.
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Wasn't COBL around back in these days? if so my list wuld b...

1) Discotheque
2) Holy Joe [Guilty Mix]
3) IGWSHA [Single Version]
4) Do You Feel Loved?
5) Last Night on Earth
6) Staring at the Sun [New Mix]
7) Gone
8) HMTMKMKM
9) The Playboy Mansion
10) City of Blinding Lights
11) Please
12) Mofo
13) Miami
14) Wake Up Dead Man
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Yes, the vocal is weaker. But the music is far superior.
They cut the guitar solo out. You think it makes it stronger?
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