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Old 01-08-2004, 10:33 PM   #46
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I agree with Bono's work. Somebody has to do it, and he is right - this is the defining moral issue of our time.

However, I think that when you are pushing an issue like this, which is complicated, you need to do it right. And I don't believe that the halftime of the Superbowl is necessarily the best way. Also, Bono should remember a valuable fact of physiology: when something is shoved down your throat, the inate response is to throw it back up.

Africa is a matter that needs help. Many of us are willing. But you cannot force people to get involved and you can't guilt them into it either. At the end of the day, lots of us have to pay our mortgages, pass our exams, feed our kids, walk our dogs. Those are human realities in the west. The Superbowl is another.

Bono is fighting the good fight here, but there are more constructive ways to do it than this. Most people who watch the Superbowl want to have a nice afternoon with friends, eat crap and drink beer, not a guy proselytizing on TV. Give them their afternoon, then educate them on the following day.
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More points to add:

If Bono did indeed want the AIDS issue to get publicity mileage in front of millions of viewers (instead of tooting his own horn), Bono would have batted for more popular and hip youngsters like Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Avril Lavigne, Mandy Moore, etc. to appear on the half-time show and promote AIDS awareness, instead of wanting HIMSELF to perform. Besides he has done it before - assemble the young hip generation for the What Going On tribute. He should have let the young bubble gum popstars do the glamorous work (where they are a better fit) while he continues doing his extremely commendable job of meeting politicians and harassing them.

And if Bono was indeed a practical man, he would not rub it in that he wants to perform - instead, he would ask the NFL who is slated to perform as ask those performers to make a small mention about AIDS awareness or include it somewhere in their performance. Why does he want to be the one to perform HIMSELF?

Bono is getting old, impractical, and senile - at least that is the impression he gives. I just hope it doesn't reflect in his songwriting in his next album, or else the new album will tank and it will probably be U2's last album ever. I wonder how Larry feels about Bono's ego-trippy desire to do a duet with J-Lo in Superbowl.

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I think Bono has gone off the deep end.
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Why is Bono suddenly wanting to go back to the glamorous "benefit concert" kind of thing instead of keeping up his commendable down-and-dirty work talking to politicians?
I sincerely doubt Bono wants to do benefit concerts. He hasn't put forth any effort in organizing one. He's said over and over his primary calling is U2 an he'd much rather be working on their music than messing with this AIDS stuff, but he's been so involved since the 80s it's become a personal issue with him. Just because he did the concert in South Africa doesn't mean he's into "glamorous" benefit concerts. I think his purpose is more about raising awareness than generating donations. I think he's doing a good job with that, especially after being on almost every channel doing something or other for World AIDS Day. A lot of friends and relatives who aren't the slightest bit interested in U2 commented to me that "they saw that Bono guy on TV and he had some really interesting stuff to say".

I don't know how you can say Bono isn't "keeping up" with his work with politicians. He's sure been at Bush and I'm impressed that Bono was not entirely satisfied with Bush's statements regarding Africa in his State of the Union. That was a monumental step forward, yet Bono has met with him again and continues to pressure him. If he visits capitol hill any more frequently, he might as well buy a second home in DC.
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I wonder how Larry feels about Bono's ego-trippy desire to do a duet with J-Lo in Superbowl.
wow, who didn't see THAT coming

Who gives a flying fuck what Larry thinks? It's not like Bono's trying to convince him to perform with J-Lo. Bono can do whatever the hell he wants, and so can Larry. When they're in the studio or on tour, they'll have to compromise, but their work outside of U2 is entirely up to themselves. For all we know, Larry couldn't care less.

I wouldn't go off on one of your "Bono is SO egotistical, all he cares about is himself, his humanitarian work is not genuine it's just an alter-ego no better than MacPhisto" trips just yet. This article lacks credibility, at least to me. It's the only one annoucing such info, and it makes no sense for Bono to want to perform with J-Lo if he's already recorded and performed American Prayer with Beyonce.....
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I don't think people watching the NFL would give a damn about what Bono was saying. I think Bono needs a reality and go back to being a musician. His preaching about AIDS has gotten old. It's a lost issue, a battle that cannot be won.
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It's a lost issue, a battle that cannot be won.
I hate to get all mushy, but comments like these make me wonder, would people think differently if they'd ever held someone dying of AIDS? Could you really say "you are a lost issue, this battle cannot be won" to the face of someone dying of AIDS, or to the mother whose baby was dying of AIDS?

It's not a rhetorical question, I'd like to know...
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The truth is that Africa is a very under developed country. How do you really expect everyone in Africa who needs medicine to get it? Are there going to be people walking around Africa sticking pills down their throats and neetles in their arms? It's still going to spread like a damn wild fire. That why it is a dead issue. African have no knowledge of proper medicine. They don't know when to take it, or how often or whatever. I just don't see a bright future for this at all. And even if the U.S. gives money to Africa who do you think is going to take it? It's probably going to be a corrupt leader of some kind adding another gold toliet to his mansion. So yeah it is a dead issue and a waste of money.
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The truth is that Africa is a very under developed country. How do you really expect everyone in Africa who needs medicine to get it? Are there going to be people walking around Africa sticking pills down their throats and neetles in their arms? It's still going to spread like a damn wild fire. That why it is a dead issue. African have no knowledge of proper medicine. They don't know when to take it, or how often or whatever. I just don't see a bright future for this at all. And even if the U.S. gives money to Africa who do you think is going to take it? It's probably going to be a corrupt leader of some kind adding another gold toliet to his mansion. So yeah it is a dead issue and a waste of money.
1) this doesn't answer my question.....

2) so when the pandemic finishes knocking out Africa and Asia and spreads to Europe and North America, we should just let it keep going eh? b/c it's a dead issue..... I'm guessing you don't have any dead friends that lost their lives to AIDS.

3) you should read about Uganda, now talk about a POOR third world country, but they have been able to successfully slow their rates of infection while increasing literacy at the same time. Uganda has proven that no one has the right to say it CAN'T be helped, because they DID.

4) the only valid point in your arguement is WHO takes the money. that's a good question, that many world leaders are in the process of answering. no money is being wasted b/c none is being sent until the government is satisfied and ensured that the government and organizations in Africa are prepared to absorb large-scale funding effectively.

5) your comments are a perfect example of how important it is for people to get educated
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African have no knowledge of proper medicine. They don't know when to take it, or how often or whatever.
this is so 1980s...I'd like to see hard evidence of this before I can even consider it a possible set-back. Until then, it seems like an idea us Americans have invented to make it easier for us to disassociate from this problem.

*edit: but....we put out wildfires, don't we? sorry, it's just that I've read that response to a few people and all I'm getting is laughs....
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I dunno, Strato Edge, Africans certainly seem willing to want change to me. At that South African concert in November, there were so many people there, and they were cheering when Mandela spoke about doing everything to stop this epidemic, and when one of the girls asked how many of the women there would feel comfortable enough asking their men to use condoms, a lot of them cheered at that as well. And like LivLuv said, Uganda's been taking steps to stop this problem. I recall seeing a bit on CNN on a place in that country where people can go to get tested. And in the "Diary" episode, Bono, Chris Tucker, and the two college students visited a lady who was sick with AIDS, and she wanted the medicines. These people aren't stupid.

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Jick: for all we know, the alleged J-Lo duet may not even see the light of day. I'm guessing the journalist made a mistake since African Prayer is a duet with Beyonce.
How was what he did blackmail? All he did was ask if he could perform 1 song, written specifically on AIDS subject, not like he was going to give a speech.
Why couldn't he do both awareness raising performances and the dirty work with politicians and take the best of both worlds? I don't think he'll ever try to set up a telethon or a benefit concert.
If the NFL watchers don't care what he has to say, that is not really his problem is it?
Like you said, he already involved younger stars in What's going on tribute. Being a singer, why not write songs about issues and perform?

Lastly, I really think you could, knowing the band's and Bono's humanitarian efforts, stop making insulting and untrue comments on him and his motives. (for the record, the band DO support his AIDS campaign)
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Jick: for all we know, the alleged J-Lo duet may not even see the light of day. I'm guessing the journalist made a mistake since African Prayer is a duet with Beyonce.

>The key word is "for all we know." My reaction is to the article so I give it the presumption of truth for purposes of this thread until proven otherwise.

How was what he did blackmail? All he did was ask if he could perform 1 song, written specifically on AIDS subject, not like he was going to give a speech.

>If he won't be allowed to perform the song (just like what actually happened), there was some press and it was slanted to make the NFL sound like an organization that couldn't care less about AIDS - this will be bad for the NFL's image, all because of Bono's "request." Now, in order to save face after the Bono blackmail, the NFL seems to have promised to send some players to Africa. It's blackmail because you're damned if you don't, and the NFL were damned.

Why couldn't he do both awareness raising performances and the dirty work with politicians and take the best of both worlds? I don't think he'll ever try to set up a telethon or a benefit concert.
If the NFL watchers don't care what he has to say, that is not really his problem is it?

>You and I and Bono know the NFL watchers won't care. Bono knows the minimal or neglibile effect on AIDS support performing one AIDS-related song in NFL halftime will do. We all know the truth. So why did Bono even attempt to ask to perform when he had other better options such as: (1) raise AIDS awareness in better avenues, or (2) let someone else more hip with the current generation (Avril, Britney, Justin) perform that AIDS song so it will have more reach? Obviously, Bono wanted it for his own selfish reasons of tooting his own horn, or he requested it because he has already grown senile and has a strained understanding of reality and the non-factor on AIDS such a performance would have.

Like you said, he already involved younger stars in What's going on tribute. Being a singer, why not write songs about issues and perform?

>What will he get out of performing other than tooting his own horn and say he did NFL in 2 of the last 3 years? Performing will not raise money for AIDS like a single will do, and performing will not even raise awarness the way a single would do. With a single, you can have a video that will be replayed over and over in MTV, and the video can be choreographed in such a way as to raise AIDS awareness. The proceeds of the single can go to charity. All performing will do is add another feather to Bono's ego, and will have nothing to do with AIDS whatsover.

Lastly, I really think you could, knowing the band's and Bono's humanitarian efforts, stop making insulting and untrue comments on him and his motives. (for the record, the band DO support his AIDS campaign) .

>Not only the band, but so do I support Bono's humanitarian efforts. But not all his actions are the appropriate ones - and this latest attempt to want to play Superbowl is obviously one of the wrong moves Bono has made. But we all make mistakes. After all, U2 did write POP.

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You might want to check with TAC( treatment action campaign) and the frontline workers in Africa.. and tell them it is not making a differnce .. I assure you it is not a hopleess cause.. and I am sorry for you that you think it is. perhaps you should learn what has actually been done and what is working in Africa before you comment

Africa has no knowledge of proper medicine is perhaps one of the most ignorant statements I have heard on here yet . Plus do you not think there are new measures in place for Accountability , transpraceny.. etc.. there is.. it's not perfect yet but it is changing and so do you want to hold millions of lives accountabile until they get it absolutely perfect.. I know this is U2 fan forum and the music is important to you folks as it is me but I can't stand injustice and this drives me crazy .

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Africa is a matter that needs help. Many of us are willing. But you cannot force people to get involved and you can't guilt them into it either. At the end of the day, lots of us have to pay our mortgages, pass our exams, feed our kids, walk our dogs. Those are human realities in the west. The Superbowl is another.
Anitram thank you for your post.. it is great and I guess I should take yourviews.. but it is a bit of the irish canadian stubborn nature in me. At the end of the day there is a line drawn in the sand of the people who get it and those who don't .. You can't guilt people into cause all they will do in the end is through chairty at best.. Ya we all have realities in the west.. I suppose I get my back up on this because I feel a responsibiltity to the people in the third world who don't have the luxury of dealing with our realities here in the West.. I know we have our own issues In North America.. but even at the worst.. theres is much better a chance.

An to end .. I my whole point about Bono is that he is able to get past the music., the band and himself to see this emergency for what it is.. He has my admiration and for his fans you either support him or you don't but as a fan you shouldnt bash or insult his work.. that is completly disrespectful..

I know this post started off being about the duet .. but it certainly opened my eyes to peoples views on Bono's efforts and on peoples views onthis emergency ..I am glad it did .. Fans have the right to thier veiws as fans.. But I guess I had hoped ... that this emergency would be bigger then those opinions . and it's reflection on U2 .
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