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Old 10-03-2007, 03:07 PM   #1
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Milan DVD isnt that great

Why does everyone love the Milan Vertigo DVD. Yes it is true the Italian crowd is better and its an outdoor concert which is always good but the show itself is lacking. Bono’s voice that night is not good. It is one of the worst vocals I have heard from him on the entire Vertigo tour. His voice is scratchy and rough much like his voice was during the Elevation tour. To me the Vertigo tour was the return of Bono’s voice and the Milan show is just not a good representation of his singing. The Chicago DVD has its issues but at least Bono was singing all right that night or at least much better than the Milan show. His voice in Chicago is cleaner and smoother. This alone makes the Chicago show more enjoyable to watch and a better representation of Bono’s singing.

However, clearly neither show captures Bono’s voice at its best like a release of a 3rd or 5th leg show would have done.
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However, clearly neither show captures Bono’s voice at its best like a release of a 3rd or 5th leg show would have done.
I think Bono's voice is far better earlier in the tour. On my 1st leg recordings vs. my 3rd leg ones, his voice is night and day. Much better at the beginning.

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I agree as far as Bono's voice is concerned. For Vertigo voice standards it indeed isn't his best, but IMO much better than Elevation voice. But it's true he had issues with his voice during some of the European concerts, maybe because of too much stress surrounding G8 and Live 8 and everything. His voice was better on all the other legs. BUT I still say Milan is a great show, Italian audiences are just amazing, and there is a lot of stuff I love about the DVD that, for me, makes up for Bono's not so great voice.

I would love to have a concert of the last Vertigo leg fully released on DVD, that would be awsome!
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This thread is going to generate some heat. But I have to agree. Prior to the release I wondered why they wouldnt release the whole thing. After seeing it, I can sort of see why. I dont know what it is, could be the way it was filmed, Bono's voice, the performance itself, or all of the above, but something is sort of lacking. I dont think its bad, but it just doesnt hit me as great.

I honestly dont think the Chicago DVD is that bad. I think it takes a shitload of unwarranted ripping on here. Some ripping is justified, but its not THAT bad. Problem with Chicago is they shot it to early in the tour. They were still trying to get the lighting and song arrangements down for the shoot DURING soundchecks in Chicago. Not a good time to be shooting an official DVD when you are still at that stage of the tour. The reason they did though was because with the original tour itinerary Chicago was much later in the first leg. But when they had to reschedule and start the tour later it moved up obviously and they had already planned to shoot in Chicago prior.
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Re: Re: Milan DVD isnt that great

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I think Bono's voice is far better earlier in the tour. On my 1st leg recordings vs. my 3rd leg ones, his voice is night and day. Much better at the beginning.

IMHO
I accept your thougths, but I must say that youre wrong. The 1st leg vocals wasnt the best, the 2nd was a bit better, the 3rd much better, 4th was bad and 5th was the stongest.

Just compare Bad from the 1st leg to the 3rd leg versions. On the 1st leg versions he didnt hit the high C in Wide Awake, he didnt hold it for long long either. Well he was much more stable on the 3rd and 5th leg then the first. The opening nights wasnt the best, Chicago, Vancouver...

If you don't belive me just compare 1st leg versions to 3rd and 5th:

Bad(on 3rd leg he hit the HIGH C)

SYCMIOYO(On 2nd leg he started to hold the sing part longer on the 3rg leg he hold it in 8 sec one night)

WGRYWD(High C on 5th leg)

NYD("Say its true" was even stronger on the 4th leg but went much stronger on 5th leg)

MW(they played it faster on the later legs and also he started to use his ZooTV falsetto in the word Child on the 5th leg)

WOWY(He sang it much better on 5th leg)

Pride(He started to add more force in the 2nd leg and continuied with in the later legs)

BD(So much better in the 5th legs, touch in 5 sec)

ISHFWILF(The 5th leg versions...)
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I must add that I think Sometimes and Miss Sarajevo, which he started to sing around that time on tour, were very good in Milan, so his voice wasn't that bad. Actually, I thought it was getting better during the show (which it seems to do quite often).

I've heard shows from the first leg where his voice was better and shows from the 3rd leg where his voice was worse, so I don't think you can generalize it. But generally I'd say he had a lot of great nights and no REALLY bad nights on that tour, except maybe some of the South American shows.
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Can I say though... apart from Bono's voice that can be better or worse than other during other legs (I thought that his performance in Miss Sarajevo and SYCMIOYO was amazing! I was there and crying!) the fact that the Milan DVD doesn't show the whole gig is the problem. The cuts already take out half of the beauty of a U2 concert, which is the passage between a song and the following one, bono trying to speak the local language and the length as well..I mean... 25 songs in a row is frankly a awesome spectacle when you love them.
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i own the milan dvd but i never watch it. Idk what it is specifically. One thing that turned me off was the girl who was brought up on stage who had a major wardrobe malfunction.
I did like OOTS though. But having seen the Hawaii show, no outdoor vertigo show can beat that.
[[chicago vertigo tour dvd is def. better though]]
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Bono acts like a bit of a dick in it. Thats why I dont watch it.
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MW(they played it faster on the later legs and also he started to use his ZooTV falsetto in the word Child on the 5th leg)

WOWY(He sang it much better on 5th leg)

Pride(He started to add more force in the 2nd leg and continuied with in the later legs)

BD(So much better in the 5th legs, touch in 5 sec)

ISHFWILF(The 5th leg versions...)


- u are deffinately right MW, WOWY, Pride, BD and ISHFWILF on the 5th leg were rediculous I would say up there with the best preformaces of these songs ever. I think Bono sang pride and WOWY better on the 5th leg than he did even in the late 80's.

Doesnt piss anyone off that they cant just release a DVD of a perfect night its like they know the camera is on so they get nervous. u know

But Chicago DVD is way better
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But Chicago DVD is way better

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It would be great if they had released the whole show. The first three or so songs are typical fast cut Hamilton but starting with I still haven't found..., the directing improves considerably.

And whoever said it, the voice was definitely at its best in 3rd and 5th leg.
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I agree that neither Milan nor Chicago display U2 at their best and that it would have been much better to film the official DVD much later on in the tour. Chicago was certainly filmed way too early, the overall feel and style of the show hadn't quite found it's rhythm and I think that the entire Milan show would have been released, but I'm not sure the band were entirely happy with it, so they probably agree with your points.

Personally I've always enjoyed the much larger shows U2 do anyway, it's partly why I love Sydney, Mexico and Slane so much, there's a real sense of an event about them, something which a U2 show should be about and should really demonstrate on the DVD. IMO Boston and Chicago felt too closed in for my liking, they just seemed to be another stop on the tour.

Not having the camera's at the best night is a problem U2 have encountered in the past though. With all that said, I think the Milan rendition of Miss Sarajevo is excellent though, Bono's sings it well and his dedication to the victims of the London Bombings is very touching and it's captured on DVD forever.
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The big mistake of Chicago is not showing the fans (enough), especially compared to other U2 DVDs by the same director.
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Bono acts like a bit of a dick in it. Thats why I dont watch it.
Agree 100%.
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The Milan show got the best performence of Miss Sarajevo, I can't find any other version when he sings the "L'amoure" part so strong like he did on that show.
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You think they'd have learned their lesson by now huh?

ZooTV - best of the pack I'm reviewing here but personally I would have suggested another country and maybe just maybe an earlier leg.

PopMart - not necessarily shot too early in the tour, but there were far better shows after that - the crazy Mexican U2 fans save the day here

Elevation Boston - shot wayyyyyy too early in the tour, nobody, especially the crowd, saves the day lol

Elevation Slane - PERFECT timing... notably, later in the tour and on home turf

Vertigo - shot way too early in the tour.

ESPECIALLY in the aspect of Bono's voice. Bono's one of those guys who gets better as the tour goes on, imo.

And the intensity and character of songs like The Fly, Electric Co, in fact most of the songs, just using the last tour as an example, got remarkably better as the tour progressed.
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Because of the differences in the arena and stadium shows we needed a stadium DVD. It's disappointing that we only got part of a show in Milan.

*fingers crossed that a FULL stadium show will be released*

Having said that I do watch Milan a lot. High points for me are Elevation, IWF, MS, OOTS and WOWY (especiallly for the t-shirt!)

The highest point for me is ISHFWILF

Erm, yes, I do skip the nonsense just before it!

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ZooTV - best of the pack I'm reviewing here but personally I would have suggested another country
What on earth is wrong with Australia?

And regarding the original topic, I've only really watched Milan once. The song selection is poor and while I am not normally in the "Bono is quite off-putting" crowd, on this DVD, Bono really is quite off-putting.
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Boo!

Actually, an earlier leg probably would have been better for the Zoo TV release. The band, especially Bono seem tired in the Sydney show. I would have liked to see Stockholm or DC as such, or some rad pro-shot they've been keeping from us for 15 years.

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