typhoon
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I hear they're also going to replay the entire PopMart Tour because they didn't like how the first one went.
typhoon said:I hear they're also going to replay the entire PopMart Tour because they didn't like how the first one went.
bathiu said:
Want some facts and numbers?
On ElevationTour, 1 tour after POP era they were playing: Discotheque, Staring At The Sun, Gone, Please (accoustic) and Wake Up Dead Man...
Ellay said:Perhaps the Europe leg of the vertigo tour will ONLY consist of songs from pop and zooropa.. That would surprise a few people.
miss becky said:I hope not. I love Pop as it is. I don't even like the "new" versions on the Best of 1990-2000 CD.
Roland of Gilead said:
The "nex mixes" on the Best of 90-00 are the reworked Pop songs that the band returned to. Old quote.
Roland of Gilead said:
The "nex mixes" on the Best of 90-00 are the reworked Pop songs that the band returned to. Old quote.
Earnie Shavers said:Here's what I think about Pop (and I kinda said it in another thread)....
The album itself is all about making a big reach, or leap, for something and not quite getting there. Satisfaction (Discoteque), Acceptance (Mofo), Hope (If God Will Send...), Faith (Wake Up Dead Man) etc etc etc... you can go away and think about that further and you can see where the whole album title and theme and everything comes from, but that's not for this thread...
Anyway, album is about reaching and falling. Pop was U2's most ambitious album, and their most ambitious period. The album does have it's flaws. You can tell there's a rush to wrap it up. To me the production is nowhere near as bad as HTDAAB but you can hear errors in there in editing etc. But that to me is what gives it it's beauty. An album about reaching and not quite getting there, and by pure accident, the whole album does that itself. Listening back on that album now, it's seems like the perfect match for U2 during those couple of years. It's a big, big album. It's a mammoth idea, and they can't quite grasp it.
If they go back and re-do it, it's simply not the same album at all.
You can reach, but you can't grab it.
Maybe come back in 8 years.
And you can have it.
No thanks.
bathiu said:
Want some facts and numbers?
On ElevationTour, 1 tour after POP era they were playing: Discotheque, Staring At The Sun, Gone, Please (accoustic) and Wake Up Dead Man... 5 songs...
aussiedge said:
They'd probably be able to fit more songs into concerts if Bono spent less time crapping on during song intros (One and MD) and more time rocking out
rjhbonovox said:
Excellent post.....the key word here ambitious. I think the album does get there it just didn't sell and thats the gripe U2 have with it now. It would be disastrous to hear what a re-working would be like. As I said beforethe key word about the 90's U2....... ambitious.... the key word since............ SALES!
timothius said:
Or if they spent less time on songs that go nowhere such as Into The Heart & The Ocean.
I really do think its sad theyve rejected a good 6-7 years of there history this tour.
ShellBeThere said:
And Pop just doesn't fit in with this theme of innocence and commentary on/about it, *or* with the doyourealize there's a war on theme, or with the but we're one world theme... i like staring at the sun and gone i really do. but where the fuck would it go and make any sense?!
I keep wondering if they could fit 'please' in somewhere.
but like earnieshavers says, if "if god will send his angels' is ultimately about reaching-not-quite-grasping hope, then where does it go in this set?
I also think that the boy songs really work on that innocence thing...some magic moments in the show for me, but it does require willingness to go along for that ride..
ShellBeThere said:
I just want to clarify Earnie Shaver's position though...
so, the beauty in Pop for you is the parallel between the themes (I agree with a lot of that...nicely stated) and the execution--the reaching and the not-quite-grasping in both? Thus, the beauty of Pop was therefore an accident, and *not* the boys' design, and if they had not had these "flaws" it would have not worked as well? Never mind the re-do, which I agree could never be the same, the context is so totally and forever changed...but that it wouldn't have worked the first time if they'd polished it up?
Again, that's hard to know too, since you can never be introduced to it for the first time again...
MrBrau1 said:I hope they do it just to piss off all the Pop fans here. It'll purge this place of so many whiner fans who care more about attidude than music that it could only be a good thing.
Earnie Shavers said:
U2 pre Pop: Can we reach that? No idea. Want to go for it anyway? Absolutely.
U2 post Pop: If we are going to do anything, it must be well and truly within easy reach.
yeah, you're right. conformity can be hard.MrBrau1 said:How do you know Pop was harder for U2 to create than ATYCLB and HTDAAB?