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My review of the 3 out of 10 review

I normally don't do this, as I believe matters of opinion should be left to that - opinion - but there are just too many glaring holes in this to turn a blind eye. Let's analyze his summary:

I am currently very disappointed by this album. I did expect something bad after all the current media hype. For if the product is bad, one needs to advertise even more.

He makes it clear he actually expected the album to be bad - based on the principlal that the band have advertized it "more" (which they actually haven't done any more than usual - just look at ATYCLB's promotion). But the main concern: He came to the conclusion that it would be a bad album even before he listened to it. Sounds like a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy to me. Thus he would likely look for evidence to support his pre-set conclusion (essentially, his preconception), which would obviously colour his perception of the record.

But if these songs are to represent the best from the last four years, the band should seriously consider a longer break or a split.

After having convinced himself he was about to listen to a bad record, upon listening he was naturally left disappointed by the conclusion that he had helped shape in his own head prior to even listening to it - and was somehow left stunned by this act of self sabotage. This is evident by the complety rash, rather outlandish claim that U2 should disband after one listening to a new album. Most people don't say these things until they're certain of an album's worth, which normally takes at least a few spins in the CD player.

Furthermore, Bono's extremely bad vocals left a strong negative impact on my evaluation....despite [Bono's] best will and ten attempts....

This seems to be very much a different opinion from the majority. He's basically saying Bono was horrible on all 10 songs after 'Vertigo (if I understand correctly). This doesn't seem to actually be the case at all from the clips I've heard and the general consensus of the reviewers (the most glaring difference being the description for 'Man And A Woman' with vocals "from the War era"). Sounds to me like he's still under the influence of his self-convincing (looking for faults to validate his low expectations).

Maybe he should sometimes really focus on his original talents and not be disturbed by other issues. This would have probably had a better impact on the new songs.

This is pure conjecture. U2 have always had many issues on their plates, especially during ATYCLB - and album that had very strong melodies to boot. If anything, having other issues would simply bring more experience to the table giving Bono more to write about.

But all this turns into bad by flat vocals which on first listening do not leave any recognizable strong impressions. Especially "All Because Of You" is a genuine negative example.

This is how we know he has only listened to the album once. Here he admits it. And his inclusion of 'All Because of You' as a bad vocal leaves me a bit perturbed. It sounds nothing worse than anything on ATYCLB judging from the clip, an album which was supposedly a return to form vocally, a sentiment with which I would agree. And if it's any better than the performance at the Apple conference, then it should be a very good performance indeed. I think this is simply a result of personal preference, not an objective "bad singing" claim. But this is exactly what he's basing his negative opinion on, as he says...so take it with a grain of sal
 
The computer froze and cut off the rest of my "dissertation", lol. So you only get half. Too bad, cause it got really good at the end. :wink:

Actually, if a mod wants to delete it, please do. I don't have the time to go back and re-write the other half.
 
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I think you make some strong points. I didn't notice some of the stuff you mentioned.
 
I think you should post the rest (if you can) Michael, because those reviews were utter crap - ESPECIALLY the one you cited.

He ranted endlessly about how bad it was, yet failed to provide substantial backing as to why. Despite giving some songs and 8 or higher, and most songs above a 4, he gives the album a 3. All of the reviews there were horrid (even the ones praising the songs/album) but his was especially bad. I can only assume writing is not one of this person's talents.

I pay little attention to reviews. But when a fellow "fan" tears into an album in such a pathetic manner, I really have to wonder why they bother being a fan. That reviewer was like Jick - looking for things wrong with it. In contrast, Jick is often quite humorous and writes in a tongue-in-cheek style. This reviewer was clearly serious. Instead of having U2 disband, perhaps it's time this "fan" moved on.
 
Phaser is the name of the "terrorist reviewer" that we are discussing.

How can anyone with an ounce of credibility give a u2 album 3/10? I would probably rate a Britney Spears album higher than that (not too much higher). October, considered by many to be U2's worst sounding album (I think the lyrics are awesome), would at least score a 7/10 for me.
 
Yeah I agree with that boosterjuice. If I was to rate a U2 album a 3/10, I would seriously have to consider the possibility that they might not be the band for me and go looking for new music. I would also say October is the "worst" U2 album for me, but I would still give it a 7 or more, Gloria, Rejoice, October, Tomorrow, are all great songs to me. For me to give anything a 3/10 I would have to STRONGLY dislike it. A 3/10 on a quiz is like an F-.
 
Oh those reviews weren't goofs... because after I read all of them especially Phaser's, I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Here is a guy who decided he was going to hate this album if:

1) It wasn't Acthung Baby
2) If it was Achtung Baby
3) If U2 recorded any sort of sounds on the CD at all

I will make up my own mind on November 23, right here in the good ol' US of A.
 
That Phaser guy is really a genius... I visited his site(U2sound.com) and they have a message board there, where he talked a bit more about his review. And he said this: "what disappoints me most is probably that there is really no melody i can remember. i couldn't even after leaving the room. everything was gone. and i never had such a feeling. normally you leave the room and you have one or two songs in your mind where the refrains kicked your ass! but this wasn't the fact here. "

THEN HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU WRITE A REVIEW IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING?!!
 
Good point djerdap!

What's worse is that "Vertigo" is an incredibly catchy tune! It's instantly hummable - you can't help singing, "I can fee-eeel.... fee-ee-eeel!" or "hello hello...hola!" Heck, I heard just a snipped to ABOY and was singing that for a day! And this was a noisy, bad snipped of a song - yet it was that catchy. So clearly this man is without clue.

I refuse to call this reviewer by his name because that would lend some credibility to him that he doesn't deserve.
 
Here Phasers Ratings!

boy = 7/10
october = 7/10
war = 9/10
unforgettable fire = 8/10
der joshua baum = 10/10
rattle and hum = 8/10
achtung baby = 11/10 (das absolute meisterwerk)
zooropa = 7/10
(passengers = 7/10)
pop = 7/10
atyclb = 8/10
 
Those were big reviews with a lot of details and even bigger opinions about how crap HTDAAB is after just one listen. These guys must be a couple of Einsteins to pull that off and after reading their reviews nothing points in that direction.
 
3 out of 10? let's bash him... this can't be true! seriously! he must be a jerk!

first off all: actually i didn't want to step into this discussion here as i personally don't see any reason why i would have to justify myself here in front of you or anyone else for my personal review.

but i decided to clear some things up as there seem to be some fundamental misunderstandings regarding the review. some people obviously either don't understand or simply don't want to understand what it was.

actually i would have loved to write a more positive review, but i'm not a liar. so what shall i do? lie about it? just write a 10/10 so that everyone is happy cause the truth might be too hard for some people? well... it's my truth, not yours. maybe you will give it a 10/10 after listening to it the first time and maybe you will dislike it after some weeks. maybe it will be the total opposite. who's knows!? well... i can only say: i disliked it from the first hearing.

so it's funny to see how much my words become overinterpretated by some people. this guy analyzing ever word was really cool. i've seen things about my own review i've never seen before. if i would have know that he is taking it that serious i should have spend maybe one additional hours with my personal media consultants. sadly all 20 where busy due to the election campaign. i borrowed them to one of the two parties.

to be honest: it's becoming ridiculous, especially when you call me a "terrorist reviewer". i mean... how old are you? it's something i can only laugh about such a stupidity.

terrorist have really nothing to do with a review of an u2 album.

secondly: be honest: some people seem to become very frustrated especially cause THEY DON'T HAD THE CHANCE TO LISTE TO IT, BEFORE THIS LITTLE BASTARD FROM GERMANY.

jealousity? or what?

why not simply saying: "hey, cool... someone got the chance to listen to it and he wants to participate myself here. he wrote a review. let's here what his first impression was!"? is that so hard?

so let's start...

1) why are the 3 out of 10 only?

that's simple. the arithmetic middle of the songs of an album is not the right parameter for myself to rate an album. why? simple: cause then you loose things like for instance the tracklist arrangement and the overall critic compared to other u2 releases. this just as one single example. there are plenty more. anyway: this explains why the review of the whole album is not similar to the arithmetic middle. i expected the average u2 fan would understand this relevant factor.

2) why does he write a review after listening once to the album?

because i was asked to write down my very first impression! if i understand you right prior album reviews should be in generall forbidden cause they have to be bullshit for sure. is that right? i have a question: can you speak honestly for yourself that you would have not loved my review if i would have given it a 10/10 after the first listening? i predict you can't, if you are honest and not pseudo-honest against yourself.

3) he must listen to the album

yes, i will. and i'm sure i will change my opinion about the album at a alter point. but my first impression gives it just only a 3 out of 10. maybe the future will lift that up or even decrease it to something more lower.

4) i've been waiting for something i haven't found?

yes, of course. tell me a person who would go to an album presentation and who doesn't have any idea about what he will listen to. maybe i should have gone to a locked room somewhere in jail for the last 4 years to be "independend" enough for some people. i'm sure they would of course have been totally independend and they wouldn't have expected anything. of course. sure. absolutely.

5) who in hell does he think he is?

i'm simply a long-time u2 fan plus a musician who gave his honest opinion about his first impression.

6) he does see only the guitarsound there?

do i? just because i mentioned them more than others? no, i don't think so. people who know me, would have been disappointed if i wouldn't have said any line about edge's new guitar sounds. i tried to describe the overall sound for people who can translate those things. mainly people from my own website who are interested in those kind of things and who are able to understand those words very well.

7) he doesn't have a melody in his mind, so how can he write a fuckin' review?

ever heard of these tools called "paper" and "pencil"? btw, is it forbidden to write a review without having melodies in your mind? come on.... it's become ridiculous.

8) achtung baby sound as same worse to me from my first impression

well... not to me. i liked every u2 album from the first minute. maybe not every song, but surely two or three have been all-time-favourites since today for me from the first minute i heard them.

9) they should maybe split up or simple have a break!

i strongly think so after listening to the album. thry sound like two bands which frightens me most. then it frightens me a lot that bono sometimes sings like he would have been drunken (which he surely wasn't). especially "all because of you" and it's refrain is ridiculous for what i hear on other u2 records so far. i've never heard such a worse vocal line. you can now say: maybe it hasn't touched him. but honestly: other reviewers are seconding my opinion here. just read it on u2tour.de ! they all mentioned bono's vocals and especially that line as "really frightening".

from what i've learned from your postings for the future is simple - it's that it's probably best not to tell anyone about what it sounds so that they have to wait three more weeks. we (the reviewers) thought it would be interesting for some people to read about what some people think about it. but obviously some people are not tought enough to survive it when someone dislikes their long awaited record. as they can't stand it it's probably the best it bash him as long as they can get back to daily business including dreaming of the soon coming 10/10 record they always wanted to get.

like in the past: the guy who delivers bad messages, will get killed!

it's funny to see that people are just sitting especially on my review while there have been reviews by other persons who are simply even more worse on some songs than my own was. this speaks for itself. just bash those guy who ventures to rate a new album bad from his first impression. cause that's my band... hey... and this jerk think he can bash my band.

i hope you guys get back to a normal level instead of making yourself quite ridiculous. with that i'm meaning not everyone here - just some people. i'm talking mainly about them who obviously have no idea how to discuss things in an mature way. they are simply here just they seem to be bored. it's really cool to read what self-proclaimed wise people see in my little review. really funny.

i'm really starting to enjoy, cause i've never taken myself that important that like you've guys actually made me in the past days.
 
Resahp - I think lots of people on this forum over-reacted for a few different reasons. I am not one of them, I respect any review of the album given the circumstances that you only hear it once etc. Below are some reasons I think people jumped down your throat.

1. Obviously people here worship the band and can do no wrong in their eyes (I happen to be one of those people). So, to give it a low rating is "unheard of" to them.

2. I'm sure people on this forum are jealous to an extent that other people had a preview of the album before them.

3. We've waited a REAL LONG TIME for this album and IT HAS TO BE GREAT or all of these people will be greatly disappointed. I think this is the major reason.
 
@numb1075: thanx for your wise words. i agree to what you say. i'm also happy that you are talking serious and not childish about this. i really appreciate that.

i mean... it was never my intention to write a bad review to mock up the whole guys who are waiting so long for this record. really... never! why should i?

i predict that this album will split the u2 fans again like "achtung baby" and maybe "pop" already did. it's definately not something everyone will like. i have my doubts there.
 
I take issue with comments in your review like "no applause for shit" which seem designed to antagonise people. The overall tone of your writings is very harsh, unreasonable and unforgiving, like you expected the world from your first listen to the new album. (and I wouldn't exactly describe myself as a blind U2 fan either, I am quite a critical music listener)
 
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People should take a review as a review - nothing more and nothing less. The only opinion that really matters is your own.
 
@sleepoverjack: yes, i'm aware about my harsh words. i've selected them carefully with reasons, cause i was disappointed about what they present their fans as probably the worlds biggest band. i was saying to myself all the time: "why in hell has no one told them honest that this is maybe not something which stand in a line with their prior album/song quality?". that's why i choose this line, which is actually a famous german phrase from a popular comedian.
 
HONEST REVIEW

Hi Guys,

Let me enter in the middle of these flamming messages about the review and especially about Phaser.

First let me introduce who is Phaser.

Phaser is worldwide know as a U2 Sound specialist, his research about every piece of equipament which has been used by U2 members is the most acurate info you gonna find on the world.

His research has helped a lot of guitarrist's to achieve and evolut on their playing. Also he is a big fan of U2 work. He had the best U2 tribute band i've know called 'Achtung Vorsprung'.

So keep in your mind his is not common fan of U2 work, probally he is one of biggest fans i've meet.

His review was objective as it was request to do. And like he said he listened one time only and that was his impression and
doesn't mean that it will never be changed. nothing more, nothing less.

So lets respect that and dont forget his wonderful work.

Sorry about my poor english.

Cheers,

Andre Lay
 
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and still with all that said, it's still just his opinion/review. If I took all reviews seriously, I wouldn't have bought most of the U2 albums I have. I remember bad reviews on POP and bought it anyway to try and hear what they were hearing. Thing is, I couldn't judge it the same way as the reviews. I loved it after a few listenings and now it's a top 5 favorite of mine. It's all subjective and what one person likes. anyway we'll have the opportunity soon to find out for ourselves.

Thanks for your work resahp, the review was well done even if some didn't agree with you. :wink:
 
I will wait to hear myself, before I make up my mind about the album. I will also wait to listen to the album more than once before I trash it or praise it. It took me 4 to 6 months to realize the brilliance of AB.
 
I don't mind if you liked the record or not and I am certainly not jealous about you hearing it before I did. Good for you. I am a generous soul. Would I have been far more excited about your opinion if you gave it a rave review. Sure, nothing human is strange to me and I probably would have praised you like I have praised no german before. But your review reminded me a bit of the reviews the NME wrote in the past. So negative. Bad vibes all over the place. This is a U2 forum with u2 fans and to be surprised that people are not happy with your "review" is surprising. Sometimes you can be to honest.
 
Phaser or resahp should stick with his day job - and NOT take up writing. Because if that review is indicative of how he writes, then please don't write again.

I am NOT some jealous fan who worships everything U2 does. :mad: To dare assume that this is the reason I or any of us didn't like that review belittles and demeans us, while removing all blame from Phaser. How convenient - he gets to be guiltless and condescending simultaneously.

We didn't like that review because of the utter lack of cohesive thoughts, information as to what he found offensive and how it was possible that all the songs were rated 4 or higher (with some songs achieving 8's and 9's), but the album achieved a mere 3/10.

I would rate most albums higher than a 3/10 - even from artists I don't care for or for music that holds little interest for my tastes. When I see someone giving an album a 3/10, it means he/she absolutely loathed it. And if that's the case, I strongly suspect one of two things: (1) this album is indeed crap or (2) that this person's personal feelings biased their views.

While Phaser didn't write much about the album, he did STRONGLY emphasize his bias going into the review. When I read the review, it basically said that he didn't think the album was going to be good. It seemed he was out to prove himself right.

So don't dismiss our complaints. And don't throw some meaningless credentials at us as if that justifies what you wrote. Negative reviews are fine. Tons of fans here hate many songs or albums U2 have done. The difference is how they present their thoughts. These fans clearly state why they dislike a track - yet are open for at least some discussion. Even famous movie critics, like Roger Ebert, will accept how a film he hated could appeal to others. I saw none of that in this review. It was biased from the start and strongly felt like a U2-hater wrote it, not a fan.

Phaser recommended that U2 disband. I recommend that Phaser no longer be a U2 fan. Because while I highly doubt that I will "worship" this album, from what I have heard, I know it won't be anywhere near as bad as Phaser's review. And given the glowing reviews in other magazines, I think Phaser's thoughts will be unique.
 
Thanks for your work resahp, the review was well done even if some didn't agree with you.

thanx that you technically liked it. of course the content is absolutely subjective. that's what every review in my eyes is. this is why i said that it just becomes overemphazied when people flame me just because i wrote what i personally thought. hey... it was just me? one single person. :) maybe in some weeks i'm the only person in the whole world who dislikes it in that way. who knows! :)
 
People, people, there is no need to get so excited over a review. This fellow didn't like the album. That's fine. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be a fan anymore or whatever, because there are plenty of people here who, as we know, HATE ATYCLB or certian other albums. Now, admitted, his choice of words at times was certainly questionable, but come on, there is no need for such animosity towards anyone.
 
First I want to say that everyone has the right to their own opinion. There seems to be some people who react like it's a crime to have a negative FIRST IMPRESSION of a U2 album. Just because he didn't like it does not mean that you or anyone else will feel the same way, and who knows, maybe the album is shite (though I highly doubt it).

The reason that I don't put any stock into this review is because after the first listen of COBL from the TOTP performance, I was in love. That song is an epic U2 song in my opinion, and though I haven't listened to it since that day, it's chorus (Oh you look so beautiful tonight!) still rings in my ears to this day and still gives me chills. If every remaining song on the album sucks (doubtful), I will still be happy that we have this epic song.

From reading this review, he sounds EXACTLY the way I did after I first heard Achtung, Baby! At first I thought it was unemotional, bland, and uninspiring shite. The only songs that I liked at first were One, WGRYWH, The Fly, and Mysterious Ways. It took me MONTHS of listening to appreciate the shear brilliance of that album. To this day some 13 years later, I STILL hear new things in that album that I missed. I'm not at all saying this album will be anywhere near as brilliant. All I'm saying is that U2 is way too deep, layered, and hidden to be clearly seen in just one listen. It's just a fact. So calm down, take a deep breath, and enjoy the new album! It's a once every 4 year event, enjoy it!!
 
resahp I appreciate your contributions to the U2 sound site, etc....

Question, though.... since it was a one time listen deal.... was your review sort of a stream of conscious type of review?

I don't mind negative reviews, much. Hell... I like some Third Eye Blind stuff and they are pretty much loathed on this board and in the media (to a degree) so reviews aren't super important to me. I also like to hear at least some negative input just b/c I'm getting sick of the positive reviews (too good to be true??)
 
@doctorwho:

and how it was possible that all the songs were rated 4 or higher (with some songs achieving 8's and 9's), but the album achieved a mere 3/10.

PLEASE DO EVERYONE THE FAVOUR TO READ what i said in my previous postings BEFORE you whine about this again. if you still don't understand then consult an expert for maths or statistics. they will explain you, what you obviously still haven't understood yet.

I recommend that Phaser no longer be a U2 fan. Because while I highly doubt that I will "worship" this album, from what I have heard, I know it won't be anywhere near as bad as Phaser's review. And given the glowing reviews in other magazines

very strong argument. makes sense. absolutely.

I think Phaser's thoughts will be unique.

you think so? well... better don't bet your house on it.

@fumanchu:

was your review sort of a stream of conscious type of review?

what do you mean by that? sorry, unfortunately i'm not a native speaker.
 
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