Larry and the Anti-War march

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My opinion is that if you let a celebrity sway your view point just because they are famous shows you can be easily manipulated and are somewhat ignorant. Larry has a right to express his viewpoint (which is a freedom the Iraqi people do not have). Doesnt mean a thing to me personally though. I like U2 because they make great music and are one of the best live bands on the planet. Not because of Larry's view point on the war with Iraq. And for a fan to throw this in a conservatives face as some type of slam is ridiculous and childish. Its like throwing in a liberals face that Bono was tooling around Africa with a conservative Republican and meeting with Jesse Helms and George Bush. Who cares, does it change how you feel about the music??

I do find it amazing though that so many people think the U.S. is a bad guy for wanting to take out a tyranical dictator, who enjoys torturing his people and captives as well as gasing his own people. Seems somewhat hypocritical of Larry to support Saddam Hussein AND Amnesty. I also think it is hypocritical of liberals to be anti war, yet when Clinton went into Kosevo without even the UN's authority, the liberals were all for it. These type of decisions shouldnt be political, they should be for what is best for the world. Do any of you really think Saddam being in power is a good thing?

I dont think most people want war. I dont want it to happen either. But sometimes it is necessary to combat evil. Saddam could avoid this whole thing by cooperating or stepping down. Something he has not done for 12 years.

My favorite slogan:

War has never solved any of the worlds problems. (Except Nazism, socialism and facism). Appeasement has always worked (Except for when it resulted in World War I and II)
 
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Er...I'm not particularly interested in getting into a political debate here. If I was, I'd be in FYM. I formed my own opinion about the war long before this Larry pictures surfaced. :scratch: and I didn't think anybody here was saying, "Oh, gee, if Larry's against the war, so am I!"
 
No, but the originator of the post indicated something along the lines of "What do you conservatives have to say about that". Well, I dont consider myself 100% conservative or liberal, but my last post is what I had to say about that comment. So you can say that the orignator kind of invited the political discussion with that comment. They also stated something along the lines of it is about time someone in U2 expressed their opinion on this. Why is it important that ANY celebrity chime in on this? Are their view points more important than anyone elses?

On a lighter note, how many of you think Larry told the photographer to F*** off! LOL. He is not a fan of having his pic taken.
 
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Blue Room said:
No, but the originator of the post indicated something along the lines of "What do you conservatives have to say about that". Well, I dont consider myself 100% conservative or liberal, but my last post is what I had to say about that comment. So you can say that the orignator kind of invited the political discussion with that comment.

On a lighter note, how many of you think Larry told the photographer to F*** off! LOL. He is not a fan of having his pic taken.
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Oh, okay. We're clear now! :happy:

I wouldn't be too surprised if Larry said that.
 
Hey Blue Room, what if Iraq's main export was olive oil? Would the U.S still want to overthrow the tyranical dictator? I don't appreciate being described as childish by the way.
 
Blue Room said:
And for a fan to throw this in a conservatives face as some type of slam is ridiculous and childish. Its like throwing in a liberals face that Bono was tooling around Africa with a conservative Republican and meeting with Jesse Helms and George Bush.
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This I agree with.

Originally posted by Blue Room
I do find it amazing though that so many people think the U.S. is a bad guy for wanting to take out a tyranical dictator, who enjoys torturing his people and captives as well as gasing his own people.
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We don't think the U.S. is a bad guy for wanting to take Saddam out.

I want Saddam out as much as the next person.

We just think the U.S. is going about this the wrong way, with war and all that.

Originally posted by Blue Room
Seems somewhat hypocritical of Larry to support Saddam Hussein AND Amnesty.
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Um...how is Larry supporting Saddam Hussein?

Being anti-war does not mean you are pro-Saddam.

When are people gonna realize that?

Originally posted by Blue Room
I also think it is hypocritical of liberals to be anti war, yet when Clinton went into Kosevo without even the UN's authority, the liberals were all for it.
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I'm against war no matter who it is that's starting it.

I may have thought Clinton was a good president, but I didn't agree with everything he did, going into Kosovo and all that would be something I wouldn't have agreed with.

Originally posted by Blue Room
These type of decisions shouldnt be political, they should be for what is best for the world. Do any of you really think Saddam being in power is a good thing?
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Nobody is saying that Saddam having power is a good thing. Where are you getting that idea?

And I'd like to know how our going and starting a war with Iraq will be a decision that is "best for the world". All our fighting with Iraq will do is make more people pissed off at us and more likely to want to retaliate.

Originally posted by Blue Room
But sometimes it is necessary to combat evil.
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And we can't combat evil with peace?

Angela
 
Ok Moonlit I dont want to get into a huge political discussion here but I will address some of your points.


Regarding a war with Iraq causing people to get more pissed at us. Countries or people that do not like the U.S. are not going to change their minds because we dont go to war with Iraq. Do you think it makes any difference to Al Quada if we go to war with Iraq? Do you think if we dont they are going to say, Gee, maybe we should not attack the U.S. any longer? It isnt going to happen. The groups or countries that are extreme enough to try to retaliate (See IRAQ, on reason we need to take this guy out) already hate the U.S. and this action wouldnt change that one way or the other. The U.S. is powerful and with that comes responsibility to use it when necessary. This also causes resentment and envy by others. That is not going to change. What will be interesting is after this is successful and the Iraqi people are freed everyone will be jumping on the band wagon then (ie countries opposed to it right now). I also see some protestors saying Bush is more dangerous than Saddam or Bush is like Hitler. That is majorly offensive and moronic. Agree or disagree with what Bush is doing, he is doing what he feels is right to protect the U.S. and the world. To say he is evil or trying to be evil is ridiculous.

Regarding being anti war is being pro Saddam. That is a bit extreme I admit. But if you look in that picture you will see pictures of the Iraqi flag. Looks like they are supporting Iraq to me. But I certainly dont think all people who are anti war support Saddam. But under the circumstances with Iraq, protesting and trying to get the U.S. to stop is causing Saddam to think he can continue to play his games and get away with continuing his weapon build up. Saddam's assistants have even indicated that the peace protests accross the world are giving Saddam confidence that the world is with him. So many people are kind of supporting him and giving him confidence indirectly.

To respond to your last comment "And we can't combat evil with peace?" I wish we could, but history has shown that this doesnt work. When the world has tried it has usually ended up in a situation much worse. IE, WWI and WWII. I think the U.S. is trying to avoid a situation that will be much worse down the road if something is not done now.

War is a scary thing. I dont want it either. But unfortunately it is necessary at times. We dont live in utopia and never will. There are to many evil people in the world who want power and are willing to do anything to get more or maintain what they have (IE gas your own people, torture people and enjoy watching it, oppress your own people, and refuse to be reasonable and participate in the world community.)

Here is one thing to think about. Do you honestly think that if Saddam Hussein acquires nuclear weapons he would not hesitate to sell them to terrorists? OR use them against Israel? Or use them to threaten his neighbors? Again, I refer to history, look at what he has done in the past. I think it is abundantly clear that he would without hesitation.
 
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I was a little suprised to see Larry in that march. I think this issue is very complicated, and so much more than just "for or against the war". I think we can all agree that there are a lot of factors at play here. Removing Saddam is an option, so is continued diplomacy. To completely reject the war option is to remove a viable option in the crisis, and Saddam knows it. The UN has gotten this far (inspections; missiles destryed etc) because there IS the threat of war.
There is no right answer at this moment... Only the facts. Iraq has been ordered to disarm, and is making a somewhat evasive effort to do so. Is it too early to attack? Maybe. Will waiting 6 more months give the inspectors more time to find banned weapons? Maybe.

I guess I'm still on the fence for this one.
 
Love Larry.

Agree with his political views.

Good to see him out there. :yes:
 
well, for me is dissapoiment to see the support of bono to bush, ten years ago bono is against bush father and now bono is a kiss ass of bush junior.

all the points of bono is dissapear, is like elvis when support the war in vietnam.

shame for you bono, 20 years to the garbage.
 
jinn77 said:
Check out U2Log.com, pictures doesn't lie. Finally a pic of one of Ireland's finest giving a clear indication of his views on the impending war. How do u right-wing interferencers like them apples?
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On behalf of the right-wing interferencers, celebrities don't influence my opinions, facts do.

And here's a picture of another famous anti-war protestor... peace in our time brother... peace in our time.

chamberlain.jpg
 
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Im tired of all this war-mongering republican tough talk. The republican party is the rich man's party; the party that puts the good of the few over the good of the many, time and time again.
Dont even get me started on the current moron we have in the oval office. You people that vote republican, you are lemmings, following nationalistic propaganda and promises of a tax cut. Unless youre the CEO who these tax cuts are invariably for, you really need to crunch some numbers and see that youre selling your vote for someone else to pocket the change.
Talk to your local political science professor, theres a reason most educators with "Dr." in front of their names are Democrats, and if not Democrats, then GDI: they know whats going on.
 
Bildo said:
Im tired of all this war-mongering republican tough talk. The republican party is the rich man's party; the party that puts the good of the few over the good of the many, time and time again.
Dont even get me started on the current moron we have in the oval office. You people that vote republican, you are lemmings, following nationalistic propaganda and promises of a tax cut. Unless youre the CEO who these tax cuts are invariably for, you really need to crunch some numbers and see that youre selling your vote for someone else to pocket the change.
Talk to your local political science professor, theres a reason most educators with "Dr." in front of their names are Democrats, and if not Democrats, then GDI: they know whats going on.
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Hmm, I thought we were talking about the impending war?? And I'am not a Republican, I just agree with their stance on this issue. If you are so educated why dont you present a reasonable and logical argument to support your view point instead of resorting to name calling? THAT is a sign of ignorance IMO. Personally, I can ingest the information myself and make an educated decision to determine how I feel about something on my own. I dont need to consult a political science professor. You are basically saying Republicans are mindless drones. Well, what do you call blindly following everything a political science professor says?? Do you think they are right about everything? If you honestly think Democrats are right about everything then you have fallen into their Propaganda machine yourself. Neither party is right or wrong about everything. I think both parties have their positives and negatives.
 
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Blue Room said:


Hmm, I thought we were talking about the impending war?? And I'am not a Republican, I just agree with their stance on this issue. If you are so educated why dont you present a reasonable and logical argument to support your view point instead of resorting to name calling? THAT is a sign of ignorance IMO. Personally, I can ingest the information myself and make an educated decision to determine how I feel about something on my own. I dont need to consult a political science professor. You are basically saying Republicans are mindless drones. Well, what do you call blindly following everything a political science professor says?? Do you think they are right about everything? If you honestly think Democrats are right about everything then you have fallen into their Propaganda machine yourself. Neither party is right or wrong about everything. I think both parties have their positives and negatives.
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Thank you Blue Room, I was going to go on a tyrade, but you said everything I wanted to. You said it much better than I would have too.

It's good to know there are people in here who look at both sides to an issue before making a judgement.
 
Agree with Blue Room on this point:
The U.S. is powerful and with that comes responsibility to use it when necessary. This also causes resentment and envy by others. That is not going to change. What will be interesting is after this is successful and the Iraqi people are freed everyone
will be jumping on the band wagon then (ie countries opposed to it right now). I also see some protestors saying Bush is more
dangerous than Saddam or Bush is like Hitler.

France is already jumping on the band wagon to help rebuild Iraq, so it's been reported. Germany won't be far behind, and China, well who needs them.
Just hope Kim Jung Ill or whatever, is watching this. (North Korea)

Referring to Bush as being more dangerous than Saddam or Hitler doesn't sound like "just" anti war to me either. Sounds like a threat much the same way I feel when the flag is being burned.

Don't think Larry would have been out there, even just crossing the street, unless he wanted to be. Don't just get 'caught up' in a big demostration, IMO. Anything is possible. It's also his right.
 
that pic was nice to see... it's nice to see anybody, regardless of celebrity, speak out against what they feel is wrong.

about the bono kissing bush's ass comment. you're probably right.. and i really feel that he's likely holding back his true feelings with respect to the war.
 
DrTeeth said:
I never expected this, I knew he disliked the Passengers album, but War?! Come on, some of their best songs or on this album! :angry:
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That's the funniest thing I have seen on here in months. Well done!
 
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