Jerry Falwell blames gay people and non-Christians for Tuesday's tragedy

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I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle...all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'

He later called CNN to say he didn't mean to imply that any of the groups he mentioned in any way helped cause the attack.

Uhhh....yeah......whatever
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Another article for your reading...err.."pleasure"
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God Gave U.S. 'What We Deserve,'

Falwell Says
By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page C03


Television evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two of the most prominent voices of the religious right, said liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God's anger against America.

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."

Then Falwell broadened his blast to include the federal courts and others who he said were "throwing God out of the public square." He added: "The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' "

People for the American Way transcribed the broadcast and denounced the comments as running directly counter to President Bush's call for national unity. Ralph G. Neas, the liberal group's president, called the remarks "absolutely inappropriate and irresponsible."

Robertson and others on the religious right gave critical backing to Bush last year when he was battling for the GOP presidential nomination. A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."

Falwell was unrepentant, saying in an interview that he was "making a theological statement, not a legal statement."

"I put all the blame legally and morally on the actions of the terrorist," he said. But he said America's "secular and anti-Christian environment left us open to our Lord's [decision] not to protect. When a nation deserts God and expels God from the culture . . . the result is not good."

Robertson was not available for comment, a spokeswoman said. But she released a statement echoing the remarks he made on his show. An ACLU spokeswoman said the group "will not dignify the Falwell-Robertson remarks with a comment."

The man is insane.

'Nuff said.

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I cant believ what i just read.

We should throw those fuckers into a empty airplane and send them right for bin laden!

They are worse then some palestines that were cheering. they are blaming there own.

Sick. Simply sick.

PS. the comment about the airplane isnt supposed to be taken literally.

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What I don't understand is how do these 2 men know why God chose not protect us? Can they see into His mind? Why would they make such devisive statements at this time? This is not the time for blame. I do believe that there are several immorral elements in US society, but the blame for this rests on the shoulders of those terrorists, no one else (except Satan, who whispers evil thoughts into our minds). To say that immoral behavior is the reason God "didn't protect us" seems to put the blame partly on God, also. I wonder if these 2 men had thought of it that way?
 
I don't understand him, what does that accopmlish at this time? Lven if he excludes the groups he blames it on, we are still are very sinful nation.

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I'm pretty sure this is the same philosophy held by the hi-jackers about the U.S., is it not? This is why we had it coming according to the Islamic fundamental extremists too!

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Mark
 
someone should drop a building on this mother fucker and any other narrow minded people that feel that way.
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This man has a twisted view on the world-why would anyone even give him such a forum-well, then again, Pat Robertson would.

After all, remember what he said about THIS?

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someone should drop a building on this mother fucker and any other narrow minded people that feel that way.
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Anyone who would do that is no better than the terrorists who hijacked planes on Tuesday.
 
My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:14)

Funny that this is what God has to say about a nation. There is nothing about immoral groups in it. God is talking to His people telling them to turn from THEIR wicked ways. I wonder when the last time Falwell or Robertson actually read their Bibles?
 
* Does Dana Carvey as George Bush impression*

"Wouldnt be prudent!"
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To so openly discriminate other groups makes him nearly as bad as the people he considers his enemy

Grrrrrrrrr!!!!
 
He very well could have a geranium in the cranium

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert
 
jerry fallwell should of been aborted.

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Oh, great! Now God's a terrorist. The U.S. government just declared war on God. I sure hope Jerry and Pat, with their inside knowledge, help get some good military intelligence. We're gonna need it.
 
Originally posted by david:
jerry fallwell should of been aborted.


that is to funny!

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I wrote my feelings on this already in another thread; however, I think a few points are worth repeating.

These "spiritual leaders," who should be leading the country in prayer and forgiveness, are actually saying that civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsibility for Tuesday's terrorist attacks. Incredible, isn't it?! People who had NOTHING to do with these attacks are actually at fault! I'm astounded by the sheer stupidity of these two men.

Instead of preaching love, these asses are preaching hatred and blame!! I'm so upset at these morons right now that I wish someone would kill them - for then I would be dancing in the streets at their demise! However, millions of people will throw money at them and nod their heads saying, "Oh yes, you liberals are to blame for this tragedy."

Enough is enough. Right wing fanaticism is just as bad as Muslim fundamentalism and must be stamped out in this country. Robertson and Falwell are examples of why this country lacks tolerance. If they want to examine some of this country's faults, they only need to look in the mirror.
 
Guys, to be fair, I think we may have jumped the bandwagon too soon about Robertson's statements. I say we, because I too jumped their cases. The following is a transcript of Pat Robertson's speech. I should've known that the Washington COMPost would mess this up. While some of us may or may not agree with what Pat Robertson says in the following, it is far from the hateful things the ComPost implied he said, or the things Falwell appears to have said.

America has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity throughout its history. Though we have been involved in wars on our own soil -- the last was the Civil War -- the United States of America has not experienced the anguish of invasion by a foreign power since the War of 1812.

We have imagined ourselves invulnerable and have been consumed by the pursuit of financial gain. The focus of many in America has been on the pursuit of health, wealth, material pleasures and sexuality. Sadly, those in the churches have been as self-indulgent as those in the world.

We have allowed rampant pornography on the Internet, and rampant secularism and the occult, etc. to be broadcast on television. We have permitted somewhere in the neighborhood of 35-40 million unborn babies to be slaughtered by our society.

We have a court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said, "We are going to legislate You out of the schools and take Your commandments from the courthouses in various states. We are not going to let little children read the commandments of God. We are not going to allow the Bible or prayer in our schools."

We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say, "Why does this happen?" It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.
Once that protection is gone, we are vulnerable because we are a free society.

We lie naked before these terrorists who have infiltrated our country. There are probably tens of thousands of them in America right now. They have been raising money and
preaching their hate. Overseas, they have been spewing out venom against the United
States for years.

All over the Arab world there is venom against America being poured into peoples? minds, and the only thing that is going to sustain us is the umbrella power of Almighty God. That is the only thing that we have going for us.

Yes, we can put up a nuclear shield, but they are not coming in with missiles. We can beef up marshals on airplanes, but then they will come in with car bombs. There is always some way they can get at us. The means of these rogue states are awesome.

Yes, we will mobilize now and our country is moving together. But I want to say as firmly as I can, the Scripture for this time is -- ?If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, pray, seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin and heal their land.?

Now, I am filled with compassion. It just tears my heart when I think of the families of these suffering. But I want to say as surely as I am sitting here today, this is only a foretaste, a little warning, of what is going to happen.

We have not seen the massive destruction of life in our urban centers that can take place with sarin gas and with the biological and chemical warfare that is available to these rogue people, not to mention, suitcase nuclear bombs that they probably have available as well. We must come back to God as a people.

So what we say to you today is, if you are not right with God then get your life right with
God. Think of the things in your life that are wrong. Think of the careless indifference.
Think of the poor who you could have helped. Think of the Scripture you have ignored. Think of the time you should have been spending in prayer, when you were watching television or focusing on pornography or tuned into the Internet. Think of the things you have done in your own life and think of the indifference to the sin of this nation that you have just passed by and said, "Well, that is just the way it is. We have to have freedom." Think of it!

Don't ask why did it happen. It happened because people are evil. It also happened because God is lifting His protection from this nation and we must pray and ask Him for revival so that once again we will be His people, the planting of His righteousness, so that He will come to our defense and protect us as a nation. That is what I want to see and why we say we must have revival.

We must have a spiritual revival. The churches need to be full. We must pray for our pastors. We must pray for the churches. We must ask God to send a mighty, powerful revival in the midst of His people. That is what is needed for this land.

I want us to pray right now for America. I want us to pray for you and your families. I want us to pray particularly for those mothers, those fathers, those husbands and wives, those brothers and sisters who have lost loved ones. Their hearts are breaking right now. As they see this thing happen and they say "Why, Why?" And their hearts are broken.

We may find that as many as 20,000 innocent civilians have been killed in this tragedy.
We don't know what the full number is yet. It may not be that high, but that is one estimate.

Please join with me as we all pray right now.

Father, we come before You, and we share the pain and the grief of those who are suffering. We saw those people with their little posters held up before TV cameras with the pictures of their loved ones. Surely, you have seen this man. He is 5?10? and he weighs so and so and he?s got a cute smile. Oh, God in heaven, we pray that You would comfort them -- that You will comfort those who suffer and grieve in this manner.

And Lord, we pray for our nation. We have sinned against Almighty God. At the highest level of government we have stuck our finger in Your eye. The Supreme Court has insulted You over and over again, Lord. They have taken Your Bible away from the schools. They have forbidden little children to pray. Organizations have gone to court to take the knowledge of God out of the public squares of America. Then people say, "Why isn't God looking after us."

We have sinned against You, Lord. We ask that You might forgive us. And that You might bring us to the place where we are truly sorry for our sins, and as a Nation we repent before You. And Almighty God, we ask for a spiritual revival, a cleansing of our Nation, a cleansing of the hearts of Your people.

We pray for pastors, anoint them, Lord. We pray, oh God, for the churches. Give them the fire of God. And Lord, may millions come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Do a miracle in this land, we pray, that Your name might be honored. And Lord, we ask that you would bind up our wounds and heal our land. We receive this, Lord, in Jesus? name. Amen.
 
um, I think you have a transcript of a DIFFERENT speech

and throwing names at the Washington Post, I liked that, that was really creative

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Originally posted by The Wanderer:
um, I think you have a transcript of a DIFFERENT speech
and throwing names at the Washington Post, I liked that, that was really creative
If I do, soprry bout that.
You did like that name, right? You weren't being sarcastic, right?
I'd like to take credit for it, but I can't. I heard it on TV tonight.
 
yeah but I thought it was The New York COMPost? oh wait, they are right-leaning...

anyway, Robertson was just on FoxNews and all he would say in defense of the comments was that they "were taken out of context"

then he went on to say that America had "shut out God" and this was a sign of that
 
Leaders slightly more reputable than Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell believed in divine judgment against nations as well.

I believe Abraham Lincoln said in his second inaugural address, shortly before the end of the Civil War, that "if the Lord wills that it should continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.'" Lincoln firmly believed that the Union was being punished for its sins, primarily the sins of racism and slavery. Just thought this quotation might be interesting.

(I'm not singling out homosexuality, abortion, etc. as the sins God is targeting here--for all I know, God might be punishing us for the ways that "conservatives" vilify gays and pro-choicers; these sins are just as bad as "conservatives" think homosexuality and abortion are. And we have plenty of other sins--greed, hubris, etc. to repent of. I just wanted to make the point that all individuals and nations are sinful, and that divine judgment, though very troubling, is a possibility. I'm not saying that this is definitely what happened--I can't read the mind of God. But it is a possibility.)

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yes, *pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians* are racists who enslave people and everyone was punished because of this by God...

nice analogy speedracer, I really hope you're not trying to make a comparison that justifies Falwell's comments

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Originally posted by The Wanderer:
yes, *pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians* are racists who enslave people and everyone was punished because of this by God...

nice analogy speedracer, I really hope you're not trying to make a comparison that justifies Falwell's comments

[This message has been edited by The Wanderer (edited 09-14-2001).]

I revised my previous post. See above. DoctorGonzo, please delete this post.


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