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Old 11-26-2003, 03:33 PM   #16
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I think when someone has become this cynical about a band they supposedly like, its time to move on to other things.
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not only do i see them as faraway friends, they are a huge part of my life. their music has touched me many, many times.

to see them as just a product is just fucking sad.

and what baw said too.
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For someone who post as much as jick,
I think he doth protest too much!
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Old 11-26-2003, 04:11 PM   #19
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Not to be repetative, but.... my thought is how can one separate music (product) from the people. The significance of a song to your own experience is directly derived the band's own experience. Edge's love life influences the music, therefore it is relevant. If you know his story, the more you understand.

Since it was brought up, though this may not be the thread for it, I don't thing Bono could make it own his. U2 is greater than the sum of its parts.
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I think when someone has become this cynical about a band they supposedly like, its time to move on to other things.


Exactly, this and what hippy and Blue Room said summarizes everything
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to cass, hippy, iacrobat, BAW, and icelle's posts. .

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I have never met any of the members of U2, so I can't say they are my friends. However, after listening to their music for the past 16 years I FEEL like I know them because they put so much of themselves into it. Their music could never be just a product to me. I like Coca-Cola, but I've never been moved to tears or been filled with joy because I drank it.
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exactly.
I think the care and respect the band has for their fans/friends also contribute to the feeling of intimacy we have with them.

Their music could never be a product to me.
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Not to use a stupid pun, but for me, U2 may be faraway, but they're so close.
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So I guess all of you do have a personal attachment to U2. But why hasn't U2 given their fans more - just like Pearl Jam released every live show before? U2 would never release their other concerts, or even their backlog of stuff into DVD (UABRS, Zoo Sydney, Popmart Mexico) because of the costs involved. U2 know it might not be profitable for them, and would be too expensive to hire services for remixing the audio into DTS and DD5.1. If U2 did really care, they would have released stuff they know the fans would like - even if it may not be that profitable. After all, it is the fans who made U2 rich - so what's wrong with repaying them a bit and sacrificing?

People who say U2 does love their fans - otherwise they wouldn't be touring - you got it somewhat wrong. They do charge an arm and a leg for ticket prices. When was the last U2 free concert? U2 has so much room for improvement when it comes to relationship with their fans. U2 have done so many things to make their fans happy, but making the fans happy was only incidental to their primary purpose of profit. Have U2 ever done any real sacrifice for their fans?

On the flip side, I don't buy U2 albums because they are my friends. I don't buy U2 albums because the proceeds will feed Ali, Eve and Jordan - and put the latter two through school. I buy U2's albums purely for the music. The music does give me an emotional attachment. I am very passionate about U2's music that is why I am in this forum. But for the band members individually? I really couldn't care less if Mullen lost his favorite denim pants.

One of the best ways to appreciate U2's music is to separate the music from the personalities behind it. That way, there are no biases or pre-conceived notions. You listen to the music with naive innocent ears and let it flow to your soul naturally. You don't get analytic and say "this song must have been written because of the third world debt or that meeting with the pope." Just listen to the song itself and the music itself, and let everything flow from there. I find too much personal attachment to U2 is more of a hindrance in appreciating the beautiful product they put out.

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I agree with you bono's american wife. and what is that about the edge's extra marital affairs.

let me answer the question now. to me u2 is not a product. i believe in God, and humanity, but i don t put a label on it. i dont consider myself, eventhough brought up Methodist, that i am Methodist, Catholic, Jewish, etc... i believe, like i said about in God, and U2 are my church.
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jick really knows how to fuck up my night.

sorry if im out of line with this comment but its people like him that really, really, piss me off.

i wont even view this thread anymore.
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I think I can see where Jick is coming from in a way. To me it is simply the music. All their extra bits are sometimes interesting reading sure, but I dont know them so its the same kind of distant interest of any celebrity from my point of view. The one exception is Bono and the causes he fights for, but even then it is the cause which carries its own importance, not what Bono per se is doing with them. I dont think this is indicative of fandom. If anyone chooses to go the extra mile and look further beyond the music, fine. If someone chooses not to or has absolutely no interest in them outside it, so be it. It can be simply about the music to some. It doesn't say anything about that person and their fan status.
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So I guess all of you do have a personal attachment to U2. But why hasn't U2 given their fans more - just like Pearl Jam released every live show before? U2 would never release their other concerts, or even their backlog of stuff into DVD (UABRS, Zoo Sydney, Popmart Mexico) because of the costs involved. U2 know it might not be profitable for them, and would be too expensive to hire services for remixing the audio into DTS and DD5.1. If U2 did really care, they would have released stuff they know the fans would like - even if it may not be that profitable. After all, it is the fans who made U2 rich - so what's wrong with repaying them a bit and sacrificing?
Actually, I think they don't release stuff like Pearl Jam because it is redundant. It is a big enough thing to have released 2 shows from the same tour. So many of their shows are available as bootlegs anyways, many would perceive it as a cash grab. U2 is also obsessed with releasing the best of what they do, not every performance. They are perfectionists. To release an entire tour would be ridiculous, here you go, 140 ZOO TV shows! They would not make anything from it, they would lose. I think we can expect to see Zoo Tv and Popmart on DVD. Rattle and Hum is precedent.

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People who say U2 does love their fans - otherwise they wouldn't be touring - you got it somewhat wrong. They do charge an arm and a leg for ticket prices. When was the last U2 free concert? U2 has so much room for improvement when it comes to relationship with their fans. U2 have done so many things to make their fans happy, but making the fans happy was only incidental to their primary purpose of profit. Have U2 ever done any real sacrifice for their fans?
Good God! $45CAN for a floor ticket at a U2 concert. Outrageous!
I think U2's sacrafice has come in other ways. I'd much rather have Bono fighting for his causes than releasing hundreds of concerts for me to spend my savings on.

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On the flip side, I don't buy U2 albums because they are my friends. I don't buy U2 albums because the proceeds will feed Ali, Eve and Jordan - and put the latter two through school. I buy U2's albums purely for the music. The music does give me an emotional attachment. I am very passionate about U2's music that is why I am in this forum. But for the band members individually? I really couldn't care less if Mullen lost his favorite denim pants.
Just wondering if there is anyone on this message board who buys U2 album's to put Bono's kids through school and not because of the music? Please speak up if so.

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One of the best ways to appreciate U2's music is to separate the music from the personalities behind it. That way, there are no biases or pre-conceived notions. You listen to the music with naive innocent ears and let it flow to your soul naturally. You don't get analytic and say "this song must have been written because of the third world debt or that meeting with the pope." Just listen to the song itself and the music itself, and let everything flow from there. I find too much personal attachment to U2 is more of a hindrance in appreciating the beautiful product they put out.
Hmmm...I always thought it was good to know the context of what you are reading (ie. the bible) or listening to. No one lives in a bubble. You are making distinctions where none exist.
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pearl jam was big for there first 3 albums after that they werent, and are not relavent today, like u2 are and have been for over 20 years.
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