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Old 05-22-2005, 11:54 PM   #76
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For me U2 are still the best band around but I do have my complaints about the mixmaster of what they say in interviews since about 1998.

1. There is nothing wrong with attracting young people to your music but it is best done when its done with just the music itself and not the constant "stating" that they are trying to turn young people on to U2...that is fine to do but let the music do it naturally....some things are better left unsaid. In the end I think it does take a certain amount of smarts to listen to U2 and the demographic they seem to be generally trying to attract from what they are saying....90 percent of those people simply dont have those smarts and will never care about what U2 does. Infact most of those people HATE U2 and will openly say so and they always come up with some very stupid arguements.

2. It is fine to want to make money touring and having a successful tour. But again I think U2 in general are selling there world wide fanbase short as far as shows go. The last real world tour they had was Popmart, ever since then they have really seemed to care a little bit too much about the profit margins of what goes on with the tour....even in the US, where I think there is far too many shows for a fanbase that has been certainly to anybody that has followed U2 over time weakening since the Zooropa days. Even in the US they are playing far too many shows in far too few locations, what is wrong with playing 2 shows in a smaller city rather then having to play 5-7 in the major markets...does it look more impressive....does anybody really care? I would rather them come to the fans rather then the fans having to drive and fly miles to go see them. U2s fans are probably the best fans in the world and I think U2 should show them some respect and make it seem like they are making a genuine effort to make it easier for them to see the band.

3. I don't think that U2 is the only one to blame for these changes in public image and the way they operate more as a corporation I blame the entire U2 management team and most of all Paul Maguiness. I remember when ATYCLB came out in the US and it didnt debut at #1 and he wanted all these recounts and other things just because it looks good on an album to debut at #1, because in general they end up making more money. If the management team had any touch with reality they would have known that 2 rap acts were going to debut ahead of U2 in the biggest hiphop market in the world the US...and too much business is geared towards the US market instead of worring about the world market where U2 is and always will be strong.

4. This album is fantastic I think its probably my second favourite album behind Achtung Baby. But I think the reason that U2 hasnt been able to make an album like Achtung Baby in recent times has nothing to do with band dinamics because live I think they are as good as theyve ever been. I think there is only 3 out of 4 members that are working on music in this band these days full time. Bono hasnt got time to put as much energy in as most of the fanbase expect for him to put in, because of all his very noble causes these days, which I really dont blame him for I am proud hes doing them...but I really feel that it pushes the rest of the band to their creative limit not having Bono there working all the time with them on musical and lyric ideas. As much of perfectionists that U2 are they wont ever make the perfect album which I know they are capable of making until Bono is able to put 110 percent like the rest of the band are into an album, because I genuinely belive that U2 are better musicians now then they ever have been its just time and effort on Bonos part that is lacking in the studio.

That is all....
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Old 05-23-2005, 06:41 AM   #77
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Re: I'm loosing my U2 and I don't want to!

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Before the release of HTDAAB I was as hyped as ever for a new U2 album. Was it gonna be a full out guitar album or some strange new beautiful sounds my ears had never experienced! Didn't matter, after their "shawk and Awe" campaign of the '90s followed by the 180 of ATYCLB, I knew I would be surprised.
Then came "Vertigo" followed buy the onslought of Ipod Hello-Hellos! U2 semi-selling out?

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I have not listened to HTDAAB more than once or twice in the last 5 months. I have been listening to other bands like The Shins,The Strokes, & The Arcade Fire( ). The only albums from U2 that I have felt like listening to lately are AB and Zooropa(strangely enough).
I'm not as excited about the concert as I should be though I always check the setlist from the previous night's shows fist thing next morning!
To summarize, I MISS HOW U2's MUSIC USED TO MAKE ME FEEL! I MISS IT AND I WANT THAT FEELING BACK ASAP 'cause I feel like I'm drifting, drifting, drifting from THEIR shore!


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Wow. I could have wrote the same post, salim... I'm amazed!

p.s. I'm on AB right now, and really not impressed with the Bomb...
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when i feel like i'm drifting from U2 for other bands, i rejuvenate myself by watching their dvd's from beginning to the end.

slane dvd seems to hit the spot best.
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Absoluteley!!

I feel the same way as you sometimes where I won't listen to U2 for months. I then go and watch Live in Sydney and it totally brings me back to them to the point that my 6/disc changer in my car is nothing but U2!
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Wow. I could have wrote the same post, salim... I'm amazed!

p.s. I'm on AB right now, and really not impressed with the Bomb...
Hey, maybe it's a virus that's going around or something?
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Hey, maybe it's a virus that's going around or something?
I guess there's no cure for it then. Oh well...
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:08 AM   #81
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i can have these phases of not listening to u2 at all, finding new "favourite" bands. many of my friends are amazed that i'm a u2-fan, considering my taste in music in general. there are so many new exciting bands i'm really into right now (interpol is one of them, i'm quite obsessed ) that i tend not to listen to u2 for weeks and weeks at all. still i always keep up with all the news, not out of habit, but because it genuinely interests me. i used to get a bit "scared", thinking i'd grown sick of them when i didn't feel like listening to them. but i always seem to return to their albums at some point. not consciously, i just suddenly feel like listening to them.

so, like many of you have said, just keep listening to interpol or whatever band it is that you feel really passionate about and see where it goes. after all, there's nothing wrong with moving on...
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I hate to say it, but I've been going through the same thing, except the part about liking another band. I've been a fan for about three and a half years and I dearly wish I could be as excited about U2 now as I was back then. But I suppose that'll never happen again. It helped that back then I had a friend who really liked them, too, but now it's Yellowcard and all those other "little" bands for her. I just feel sort of... bored? Lonely? Too busy? I don't really know. But once school is over, I'm gonna start coming here more often and listening to more music instead of just reading about it so much.
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Old 05-24-2005, 08:30 PM   #83
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I wouldn't worry about it....i go through phases where i won't listen to a U2 song for monthes.
But i always come back ....for me U2 are like old friends, i know i can leave for awhile and come back.
Unless of course you are really losing interest which can happen and if thats the case well, thats up to you. but never say never one day you might all the sudden fall back into them again
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Old 05-24-2005, 08:37 PM   #84
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U2 is still by far the greatest band ever, and if we didnt have such high and sometimes unreal expectations maybe theyde be met once in awhile!
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I am concerned with the music. There is evidence in the outtakes. Xanax and Wine was going somewhere, rock and roll. And it's now a novelty, Fast Cars. Native Son was rock and roll, now it's the gimmicky Vertigo. I mean All Because of You is the most rock and roll song on the album, yet I see people saying how much they don't like it in post after post. Are there any rock fans left?
Who says they don't like ABOY? I love it...

I dunno, I think Bono was trying to say he cares about rocknroll, but you know that's maybe a broader category than some here find acceptable, and encompasses work some would call 'pop'.
I gotta check out these outtakes for evidence...I like Fast Cars. What makes it a novelty over its previous instantiation? And it was just the addition of the call-n-response stuff that made Vertigo gimmicky or more?
Whatever Earnie Shavers believes counts as rocknroll,honestly, I think the comparison being made time and again to maroon5 is just so off.
One doesn't have to like the new stuff, but goodness me...

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Who says they don't like ABOY? I love it...

I dunno, I think Bono was trying to say he cares about rocknroll, but you know that's maybe a broader category than some here find acceptable, and encompasses work some would call 'pop'.
I gotta check out these outtakes for evidence...I like Fast Cars. What makes it a novelty over its previous instantiation? And it was just the addition of the call-n-response stuff that made Vertigo gimmicky or more?
Whatever Earnie Shavers believes counts as rocknroll,honestly, I think the comparison being made time and again to maroon5 is just so off.
One doesn't have to like the new stuff, but goodness me...

cheers!
check out the 'where the album has a name forum' and check just about anything on there. I'd say at least 2/3 of the opinons of ABOY are that it is average at best.

As for the other....

I have a pretty broad context of rock and roll also. I meant that the song Xanax and Wine, I personally believe is great rock and roll. Raw guitar, hooky chorus with a George Harrison-almost-esque type guitar in the chorus, and the chorus has better flow, more harmony and reminds me of exactly what old fashioned "rock and roll" is. It was textbook. At least it's the shit I love.

Now Fast Cars guts the raw riff, the clever and catchy chorus and replaces it with an eastern-tinged romp where Bono sings "these fast cars will do me no good". It just sounds 'tongue-in-cheek', that's why I call it novelty. It sounds like a rock and roll song that Larry didn't like, so they re-recorded a kitschy version on the last day in the studio to salvage the idea.

Native Son to me, would have spelled the direction I wanted the band to go. The music is virtually the same, there is an extra lead guitar melody on Native Son, but it's virtually the same. Where this song became gimmicky, was not just Vertigo all by itself, was that the original Native, had a poltical context, with yet another killer chorus. Vertigo is a fine song to do exactly what it does, if I had never heard Native Son, I'd still think it was a tad gimmicky. Hearing it, solidifies it. Whether it's the spanish intro, spanish word play, turn it up loud captain, the idea of the flippant lyrics as opposed to a song about Leonard Peltier. I am not even saying it's a bad song, but it's what was a better song Native Son, stripped down to be made a 'hit', catchy gimmicks, I guess.

If I just said I like the songs better, it gives no context, and people just say "well I disgaree" or "you are fucking wrong!"
Highly subjective areas, I try to present why I like the songs better, if I can.

More of what I think they intended to make in the first place, with Chris Thomas until Larry said he wouldnt go out on tour without more hits on the record. I only deduce he said something to that effect, from reading in between the lines. Speculation extrapolated.

I agree with earnie in general, it seems we are going down similar paths at the roots of the problem, I don't agree with the Maroon 5 comparison, although the fact that it's not that far off is scary. I think Maroon 5 don't know any better than to make poppy fluff.

I think U2 tread on poppy fluff on a song or five, only because they are bowing down to their own democracy and want an idea of relevancy that is only attainable when people acknowledge them by driving them up the charts, the only way really possible, by buying up their stuff.

It seems they were so injured creatively by the whole POP era, that they over-corrected and said the only reassurance is hits, hits, hits at all costs. But I would emphasize that democracy comment. To put it another way if Bono and Edge were making the records by themselves it would be sure to sound different. That's my honest take.
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U2DMfan, excellent post.

I haven't heard Native Son or Xanax & Wine - living in Australia we don't have the full iTunes yet, so those things aren't available. I think my lack of interest in HTDAAB is what's stopped me from tracking them down thus far, but I certainly will tonight....

Can I also just say that my Maroon 5 comment (along with the other bands I mentioned) isn't meant to be a direct comparison based on the style of music, as in "That U2 song sounds like a Maroon 5 song!", but a general grouping based on the demographic that the music is squarely aimed at, and the depth of the music overall. Put it this way... 2 bands that sound nothing like U2: Maroon 5 and Radiohead. Both are heavyweight multi million selling acts. 2 of the biggest bands in the world today. If they are at opposite ends of the scale (one honestly records whatever noise is in their heads and sales or not couldn't give a f*ck. The other purely manufactures music with sales in mind, and little else). Where do U2 circa HTDAAB fit? At the worst, I'd like them to hit the centre. I think they've skidded off into the Maroon 5 side of the graph.
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absolultey I agree with that

If Radiohead is the far left of the scale and Maroon5 is the far right, you'd have to be lying to say that 2005 U2 is not leaning to the right of that scale, certainly as opposed to the left.

and for Native Son and Xanax, I think I'm in the vast minority on that one. Some of that might come from people assume I am insulting HTDAAB itself by saying I think it's B-sides are better songs. I just like them better. I played them for my friend over some beers, he isn't much of a U2 fan but is a musician, and he thinks they are better. I wanted some kind of perspective, it's not an absolute, but perhaps there are others who agree with me.
I think HTDAAB is a good album, it's not "U2 good" IMO, meaning if the band Salty Dog Balls recorded it, I would have never purchased it, probably heard the songs radio and said "yeah, that's pretty cool". I do that all the time. I am a music nut.

I'll take it a step further, I think Smile and Mercy are worthy of being on the album. That's 4 songs that they made, I think are worthy of being on the album and were left off in favor of what I think are inferior tracks. Smile is not a hit song, but I think it's genuine good rock and roll, as opposed to whatever 'A Man and A Woman' tries to accoplish on the record. It's savvy pop in the Sting vein. Chalk that one up to being voted off by somebody.
That's just a disconnect for me. I am not even griping, I am just acknowledging the disconnect. Trying to define it, I guess.

I am not sure I have much in common with they typical pop music listener. I like some pop music, but generally I am a rock guy, modern and classic. So that might leave me in the minority on this board, maybe not. But it also leads me further to believe that there is an idea of 'camps' inside of the U2 democracy.

They are making some interesting stuff, Levitate is IMO a stronger track than probably 3 or 4 on ATYCLB, it didn't make it either. So I don't think U2 lost anything, I think they are trying to accomplish something the wrong way. Rock fans growing up, need to hear songs like all the ones I mention. 90% chance, if not higher, they won't ever hear them. U2 blazing out good rock tunes and nobody but hardcore U2 fans hear them in favor of the more accesible stuff. This is to me, is more relevant to the rock climate. U2 resided in this clmiate for 20 years, this is where their relvancy is born and bred and will be extended, not in pop circles.

I fully realize that the band doesn't pick tracklistings to suit my needs, but I think I have more in common with some band members than others. My expectations were not too high for this album. I had virtually none. I said "U2 offer me the music and I'll take what you give, good or bad". I heard HTDAAB, I said "this is pretty good". I hear songs that don't make the cut, I say these are better, this is the direction they wanted to go in, and they changed.

Because of lack of "hits". Not quality, hits. We seem to be asking "why?" The history of pop music is littered with pop hits that never will have any relevance other than for the small time the occupy the fucking chart keeping them alive.
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People seem to forget Bono and Edge believed they had a finished album in October of 2003, and then Adam and Larry said no. Hearing the alternative versions of album songs, I think getting Lillywhite in was a good idea.
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I wanted some kind of perspective, it's not an absolute, but perhaps there are others who agree with me.

U2DMfan, I completely agree with everything you've said in this thred. My exact feellings. I'm glad I'm not alone.
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