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Old 05-21-2005, 01:47 PM   #61
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Old 05-21-2005, 05:19 PM   #62
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ok i have a confession and hopefully my experience will shed some light. this...has happened to me. yes it's true. some time around june of 2003 i "drifted from the shore" and my favorite band became depeche mode, although i wouldn't addmit it. and i started getting into alot of old L.A. punk (the weirdos, x, screamers, skulls, gears) i got into the adicts, bowie, costello, velvet underground, the clash. i was scared that i would never fell the same way about U2 again. my posters started changing and my u2 dvd's were collecting dust. but i guess with the excitment for the tour and the album i went back to my dvd collection and cd's and totally rediscovered that u2 is definatly #1 in my heart. this was even more magnified when i saw them twice in april. and now i can't wait till november when i see them again.

my depeche mode phase lasted less than a year, in retrospect i don't even know why i liked them so much. and while i love my punk rock music and the other stuff, i love u2 better. i think it's just that they were dorment for so long that i was looking for stuff to fill the void left. my walls have been re-smuthered with the boys pictures and posters and u2 is on heavy rotation in the dvd and cd player. and i spend alot more time here than i ever have before.

not saying that everyone will return to the light side of the force. just listen to what you want to and be happy. if it happens it happens if it doesn't, move on with your musical life guilt free!
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Old 05-22-2005, 12:29 AM   #63
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Hey don't feel guilty, there's some top bands you've mentioned there! After all, you've got to experience the full smorgasbord to appreciate your one favourite dish! *Ah, I'm a poet today!*
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I go through obsessive periods, that when I find a band or song I really like, I'll listen to them not stop for a couple of months. And believe the “highness” the music takes me is better than U2.

Once I get over the phase the band took me on, I can't listen to their songs anymore. I can wait a few months and the music still has no effect on me, sort of like an infatuation. U2 is not like that for me....Their songs slowly dawn on me and the greatness feeling sets in after a long period, I can listen to their songs over and over again months later and they still give me a new feeling each time!
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Why is this such a big deal?

I listened to HTDAAB the day it came out, put it back in its case and it hasn't left my shelf again. I don't like it and even when I hear the songs on the radio from it I switch the station over. I can't afford to pay huge amounts to see U2 in Croke Park, I'd much prefer to get tickets to see the All Ireland final there in September. I am going to see bands for free this weekend and other concerts I've been to my ticket has been 1/3 the price of a U2 ticket. I'd much prefer to give my money to a band who I don't think are money swindling thieves - not that I think U2 are in it for the money or anything. I had been a fan of U2 for about 7 years, I really don't worry myself at the thought of how I used to like them and how I don't really care about their music/ tour/ how great Bono is now. I'm sure U2 aren't missing my money or support either.

You might get that feeling back again with U2. You might not. You'll find other bands you like just as much I'm sure. Most things tend to run their course at some point or at least your interest in them will rise and fall.
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What's funny about this is you've been turned off to U2 sounding like U2 (HTDAAB) by a band who are simply a modern rip off of Joy Division. An artist who created their own sound, and seem to be revelling in it, are supplanted by a band who are completely unoriginal.

It's really sad.
Obviously you haven't listen to them closely, 'cause thats the typical oversimplification of their music by those who've heard 1 or 2 songs. Anyways, my point was not that any particular band had surpassed U2 musicaly, it was that I had "left" for a while and when I came the songs/albums that I have loved so much were'nt doing it for me anymore. Kind of like going to sleep next to the "love of ur life" and waking up the next day distant and disconected.
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this may sound REALLY weird...BUT...take a copy of the Joshua Tree, CD/tape player, and a pair of REALLY good headphones and take them to a REALLY nice part of your town/city in the evening on a sunny day! You can't beat a nice warm evening when everything's going Orange. It'll change your life, trust me.
Might try that. Joshua IS kind of like the U2 mecca. I might be In need of some "spiritual" re-awakeaning!
Think I'll start with track 5(rtss) till the end and I'll know it helped if I feel like listening to the big 4(streets, Ishfwilf,wowy, bullet).
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It happened to me as well. After the Super Bowl and the horror of horrors that is the Elevation video I sort of lost it. Didn't listen to very much U2 at all between my last Elevation show and HTDAAB (which took me awhile to get into but now I think is quite strong).

Then something happened. The band began to tour again and suddenly I was interested again, but in a different way. I was not so obsessive about it, I didn't have to read all the articles, see every second of TV that they were featured on, or basically be embarrassed that I'd go, ahem, numb everytime I came in contact with something U2 related. I also kind of took a different view of the band--that they are flawed liked everything else. I don't need every album to be an Acthung.

So my advice, take a brake if you need to and focus on your other bands. If you end up liking them better then who cares what you think of U2 because you will have something else to fill that spot in your life.
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Have you considered the possibility that (I know, I'm being a heretic here) U2 has finally recorded a bad album?

I don't love every single U2 song ever written (only 99.9 percent of them); and I don't love HTDAAB. The first time I heard it I felt--nothing. It's still hasn't made me feel much of anything. But I haven't forgotten and will not forget, cannot forget all the great music they've made, and the songs that I love. But I will tuck HTDAAB back on the shelf and hope for something better the next time around.
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Have you considered the possibility that (I know, I'm being a heretic here) U2 has finally recorded a bad album?

I don't love every single U2 song ever written (only 99.9 percent of them); and I don't love HTDAAB. The first time I heard it I felt--nothing. It's still hasn't made me feel much of anything. But I haven't forgotten and will not forget, cannot forget all the great music they've made, and the songs that I love. But I will tuck HTDAAB back on the shelf and hope for something better the next time around.
U2 recording a bad album? Hell they did that 24 years ago, they themselves would tell you that (October). Of course there are people who like it, if not love it, most people who aren't die-hard U2 fans would tell you it's not particularly good.

But to take your point further, I agree with you pretty much.

I love U2, still my favorite band, but if you asked me to make one album with all their best songs since the end of POPMart, 1998, I still don't think I would like it as much as I like everything from War to Zooropa, maybe even POP. But that's just my tastes, you know there are many people who love the last two albums, and I am glad for them. I wish I liked them the same way.

It doesn't make me sad or anything, there is a whole universe of rock and roll out there with all different kinds of sounds and vibes, U2 may be my favorite singular band, but I don't think even a hard core fan would be expected to liek ALL of it. I don't think HTDAAB is a bad album, but I don't think it's great either. I also think that over time it will not be considered a great album by any stretch and will likely take a back seat to ATYCLB as U2's "comeback" album when the books are written.

Trying to be objective, I'd say U2 are on the decline progressively but probably steadily maturing each album. And I'd say they are willing to sacrifice older fans to get newer fans because of their egos. Which is probably my only real true gripe about the band. I understand why they target the "kids", but I wish they wouldn't. I know I am not alone.

And if you are worried about "losing your U2" then you probably have a life void of any real worries, so I would just enjoy it.
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Possibly sacrificing old fans to get the kids doesn't bother me so much--it's just the way they seem to be going about it.

One of the greatest things about them, to me, is that from Boy to POP, they never made the same album twice. JT and R&H may have been in the same neighborhood, but they weren't the same album. They were always looking for a new way, a new path, and now it feels like they've made the same album at least twice.

If this is how they react to a generation of kids who tastes have been damaged by too many years of boy bands and Britney Spears, I'm beginning to wonder if they have lost touch with musical reality--where more sophisticated listeners are always on the look out for something new.
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If this is how they react to a generation of kids who tastes have been damaged by too many years of boy bands and Britney Spears, I'm beginning to wonder if they have lost touch with musical reality--where more sophisticated listeners are always on the look out for something new.
oh I think that is exactly right, and it might get be flamed for saying it, but U2 are notorious for being out of touch with things. Hell, it was part of their appeal for years.

first let me add, that I love new fans, getting new fans, it's great, I was a new fan back in the Achtung era, so I empathize and say "the more, the merrier". I certainly do not think that having teenagers listening to your music is a bad thing but I do agree with your premise that they have lost touch with the reality of the music scence, primarily the American music public which they covet so much because of the demographic they target. A 14 year old kid with a good ear for music and good taste in substance will get into U2 either way. If you target the poppy-heads you are losing grip of the situation. They don't want you, they want something of their own generation. U2 could make the greatest album ever made and it wouldnt sell as well as most rap and hip-hop. It's the nature of the beast, and it's more or less the way it's always been, although it has gotten worse because rock is running out of places to go.

I mean, to read Bono's responses he's talking as if he is aiming at getting the kids listening to Jay-Z and Britney Spears to turn on to his music. When in reality, anyone would tell you that, kids, teenage kids like the pop fluff of their generation and it burns hot for about 2 years and dies and creates a massive list of one hit wonders and "has-beens" . But that is the popular culture, it has always been this way. I don't know if Bono beleives they can "re-invent the wheel" of the industry, so to speak, but it sure seems like they are trying.

U2's audience has, without question I would say been one of the smarter sects of the listenig population. They cut their teeth with rebeliion and politics and religous songs and drastic makeovers, and their legion of fans is filled with people who love them for this very thing. So what do they do? They say "well, we've already got those people, let's get the ones who aren't listening" the thing is, they aren't NOT-listenig because they don't know who U2 is, they aren't listening because they don't care. This demographic (and I am certainly generalizing, I was part of it once too, you now?) this demographic is full of kids who buy records for everything other than the right reasons, hardly ever for the actual music content. Just faddish junk.

And for the record EVERY SINGLE young generation that has come along in rock history has it's own gimmicky banal pop bands and teenage acts who only sell records because they are good looking. Every one.

It was no worse in 1999 than it was in 1989 or 1979. The difference is that mainstream rock was crap for about 5 years there, really really bad. But it's getting better.
You'd think U2 could figure this out, they have influenced half of these bands, Coldplay, the Killers whomever. In 1991, I was 16, the old folks were telling me rock and roll was dead blah blah blah, yeah right. It will survive if it's greatest assets don't go "full blown pop", like U2 is tending towards. It's not bad pop music, but if you try to sell me that this isn't pop music, I will have to laugh. They are admitting it, left and right. I mean, at least they are being brutally honest about it.

It's like they want to target people who don't have any interest in them in large part, no matter what they fucking do. In the meantime they do so and it leaves that legion of fans left over from two decades of really inspring music scratching their heads.
I mean, it seemed to me that U2 was the alternative to the SHIT those people listened to.

The new music is not bad,, it's good but it could be so much better though. And I think 99% of this problem is to do with the demographic they are going after. I mean, Bono fucking admits it. It's plain as day.
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I spend about a week listening to solely U2. then about a week of only Ryan Adams. then a week of random other songs from the 3,000 i have in the ipod. then back to U2. works out great! ive been a fan for about 7 years and have never lost interest.

ps, in my humble opinion, interpol sucks
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I wanted to add some more things to an intersting thread, don't want to seem liek I am all down on the band, I listen to HTDAAB often. I am going to see them in the fall. And I look forward to it all, just don't have to love the direction.

It's about the music to me, always has been, you can take the images and burn them, it doesn't mean anyting really. Maybe if you make an artistic statement with them, then okay. Maybe U2 didn't intentionally have their image in the 80's but it was defintely an offset to the hair metal and new wavey synth pop going on. The 90's well if you have to explain the differences between the Fly and say Cobain, well you get the idea.

But the music really stayed on the foundation of rock and roll, with pop sensibilties. Whether that was Mofo or Wire or I Will Follow, most of U2's songs have a chorus some of them catchy, so U2 have essentially always made pop rock music, but I always heard it as rock first, pop second. That is what I hear in most all of it before 2000.

So I acknowledge certainly that U2 idolizes the pop masters The Beatles and might not have always written in that vein, were always more or less headed that way.

Now, I don't give a damn about I-pod ads, and Super Bowl shows and all that garbage, that is all image fodder for people with image issues between themselves and the music listen to. But if anything it does speak to what they are trying to do, to U2's credit they freely admit this, they aren't being hypocritical about it.

I am concerned with the music. There is evidence in the outtakes. Xanax and Wine was going somewhere, rock and roll. And it's now a novelty, Fast Cars. Native Son was rock and roll, now it's the gimmicky Vertigo. I mean All Because of You is the most rock and roll song on the album, yet I see people saying how much they don't like it in post after post. Are there any rock fans left?

Sure U2 aren't a pure rock band, maybe they are just a loud folk band. I still love them. The issue, I suppose is that the music seems to have changed to be more, decidedly more mainstream, if it's the production, the promotion or words coming from the bands mouth, it's all telling us the same thing. "We want to be big, to sell, we want to be relevant." Bono didn't want Discotheqe to "change the atmosphere of the summer" or what the hell ever. He wanted it to be more popular.

So they are making pop music now. Forgive me if I doesn't make me excited. I don't detract from what the band wishes to accomplish, I just wish it was more suited to the rock and roll listener as opposed to the average pop listener.

And that is the gripe I have, and I have stated it and I don't like to dwell on negatives. I love the band still, deeply, I look forward to seeing them in the fall, and I will still love them even if Bono messes up the lyrics or they don't play a particular song or whatever. I love this band, it's the only reason I care enough to say that something they do is dissappointing. But it is what it is. They make the music they want to make, and if we don't like it, or I don't like it, tough shit. I know some people thought Achtung Baby was a bad career move, tough shit. Maybe I am not totally into the new U2 durection, but I say to myself, tough shit.

I still can enjoy it though.
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Quick Quiz:

In the current music climate, How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb's nearest neighbour is...

a) The Killers "Hot Fuss"
b) Coldplay "X & Y"
c) Interpol "Antics"
d) Maroon 5 "Songs About Jane"

Think about it.

How the mighty have fallen indeed....
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