HTDAAB: 2nd Side - Classic, 1st Side - Eh...

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dmesq

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Dear fellow U2 fans & denizens,

Just thought I'd share some thoughts after having listened to the new album for a week...

We U2 fans always expect U2 to 'Deliver The Goods', and the band knows that fact more than anyone: Bono recently said that when you're in his band's position at the top of the world, if you produce two crap albums in a row, you're out. (Thank goodness ATYCLB delivered the goods...) I think they definitely make good on that promise with their latest album, even if there are quite a few crap tunes to get through on the way to the gold.

This is like the first U2 album ever where I feel the 2nd side plays absolutely brilliantly, whereas the first half is just so-so. The last half is as richly developed, well-crafted, visionary and moving as anything they've ever done, but I'm sorry to say that just makes the first half seem all the lesser in comparison.

Vertigo is to U2 what Start Me Up is to the Rolling Stones - it'll sure get a crowd on its feet, but it just doesn't have enough catchy melodic hooks to stay interesting throughout. It's big and loud and obnoxious, for sure, but in my opinion it's not obnoxious good, just obnoxious irritating, and quite frankly gives me a goddamned headache every time I hear it. Bono's posing and vamping to this song is the epitome of insufferable (enough with the IPod commercials already!!); unlike, say, Beautiful Day, on this one he just feels totally phony. He's selling his emotions like a whore, and the results make me cringe and feel embarrassed (i.e., Please on the 'Pop' LP).

Sure, Miracle Drug has a nice opening 44 seconds, a strong ending, and good-natured, well-meaning lyrics, but the rhythm and melody just ain't there, folks. It's every bit as hackneyed and thrown together as 'Electrical Storm' was. What someone said of Discotheque is also true here - Bono sings like he's in search of a memorable melody, and he doesn't find it. I suspect that when they're in the studio, U2 put the hard-rockin' 'finales' of many their songs together first, and then work backwards from there, and oftentimes they don't come up with a strong enough support for the first half (example: The Ground Beneath Her Feet).

I think SYCMIOYO is the only song on the first side that is genuinely emotionally compelling, a beautiful ballad to Bono's late father that picks up surprising rock'n'roll force by the end - but I really dislike the way Bono belts (I certainly wouldn't call it "sings") "you're the reason I have the operas in me" - what should be the poetic high point of the whole CD, Bono just bellows out in a laughably 'macho' way and it becomes cheesy instead of transcendent. Aargh.

I agree with the NME magazine reviewer, LAPOE is all glam and camp - and it's fun! But I still think its gutter-bucket blues-rock would've worked better with a stronger first half, but instead it makes the first half seem more throwaway, and weaker not stronger when you finally reach the 2nd side. And it's a ridiculous segue going from this intentionally trashy number (that's a compliment, BTW - I really love U2's intentionally trashy tunes) into something as dully 'uplifting' as COBL (this album's 'Walk On'...zzzzzzzzzzz).

I also agree with NME that COBL goes nowhere, it's just bland & generically 'positive' in the same way that 'Unforgettable Fire' (the song, not the album) was. And I am SO sick of Bono's "the more you 'X,' the less you 'Y'" lyrical schemes, he did a bunch of it on ATYCLB too, and it's just empty and meaningless. (Hey, I've got one for him, too: "The more you preach, the less you make sense!!")

From there on out, I almost have no complaints. ABOY, AMAAW, CFYT, OSC, OOTS, and Yahweh are all fantastic! Brilliant! Bold & beautiful! It's unquestionably the strongest 2nd half of any U2 album since The Joshua Tree (hey, even Achtung Baby had Ultraviolet, which sounded like INXS, for god's sakes, and Acrobat, which had compelling enough lyrics but went nowhere musically).

In particular, I think CFYT is the single strongest song U2 has written and performed in the last five years - I mean, it sounds like it came right off The @#$% Joshua Tree. (Could there be any higher praise? Maybe, but I don't know what it would be.) A hard-rocking power ballad about the AIDS crisis in Africa, the chorus and lyrics and melody and playing - OMG. Definitely Edge's finest moment of guitar playing on the whole CD, but then it's the entire band's finest moment, too. Songs like this are why U2 was FORMED in the first place - it's as Michael Moore said to Playboy magazine in an interview over the summer: "The guy who started the religion I grew up with said you'll be judged by how you treat the least among us. He went into the temple and turned over the money changers' tables because he didn't like that the have-nots were suffering. He felt the pice should be divided up a little more fairly. Call it liberal, socialist, whatever - it's about responding from a good place in your heart." Just as with The Joshua Tree, CFYT expresses these noble themes of suffering and dignity, and breaks your heart every bit as much as TJT did, too.

Seriously, folks - imagine removing "Exit" (which, while it TOTALLY rocked, always seemed somehow out of place on the album) from TJT and putting CFYT in between "One Tree Hill" and "Mothers Of The Disappeared." The lyrics and Bono's gorgeous phrasing of "three to a bed/Sister Ann says dignity passes by" would fit in so wonderfully alongside 'Red Hill Mining Town' and 'MOTD'. It's a total classic-on-arrival.

(What I've already heard of Fast Cars, the Japanese-disc bonus track, makes me really wish they'd put it on the 1st side somewhere, in place of MD or COBL or even Vertigo, just reshuffle the running order...it is SO incredibly catchy and excellent, it sounds like The Police at the top of their form circa 1983 & 'Synchronicity' - sheesh, why isn't Bono *always* this sharp in his lyrics and phrasing??? Damn, he is ON in that song. Sing it, Mr. Vox! )

So, I come away with eight excellent songs out of eleven - it makes for a marvelous album overall, and the 2nd half is as classic U2, and classic rock, as anything I've ever heard from them. U2 is still the biggest band on the planet, and they still deserve to be. It's a pity that their Almighty status forces them to often dilute and water down and overthink their music, but of course that's understandable - anyone else in their position would most likely be doing the same exact thing. (After all, even God must have a certain amount of neurosis.) Hell, I'm sure this album could've just as well been 11 different versions of 'Vertigo', if the music execs had had their way with it; thank goodness so much lovely, extraordinary & entrancing music was allowed to 'escape' from the Dublin studios this time around. It's still one of the best records of the year.

Anyways, just my straight-up thoughts, and I'm sure most of you will be leaving 'em rather than taking 'em...but hey, that's what these forums are all about :)
 
Your opinion, but I think that would be counter to most people's feelings.
 
:wave: wassup, dmesq?

well written review. Can't say I agree with some of it, but thanks for the opinions.
 
Nice to see a long review here, so thanks for sharing your thoughts. :) I agree that the second side is pretty strong, though I'm not sure Yahweh and ABOY are exactly favorites of mine yet. I'm not too big on Love, Peace, or Else either.

But hey, I still got some time!
 
I'd also been thinking for a couple days that the "second side" was my favorite. However, SYCMIOYO is my overall favorite track (today), Vertigo is great, and MD is climbing my charts... so who knows!
 
We all respect your opinion. I think your post is well thought out and even has a joke or two in it. But my immediate thoughts on the new album are that it is wonderful and each song has it's own beauty. It just depends what "type" of beauty you are in the mood for.

Want upbeat, catchy, angry Edge? throw on Vertigo
Want a touching ballad that everyone can relate to? throw on SYCMIOYO
Want something upbeat and "pretty"? throw on COBL
Want flat out 60's rocker? throw on ABOY

Catch my drift?:wink:

I think HTDAAB is fantastic.
 
Chill the @#$% out Acrobat

Okay, Acrobat, I went ahead & posted it to the "Official" thread. My review was the first thing I've ever posted to this website. Geez. Hopefully moving it over to the "official" thread helps to make me only half an asshole in your eyes. It doesn't do much for you in mine, I'll tell you that. Let's see you sit down for an hour and really try to pour your heart out in a review of this album to the best of your abilities, dumbass.

Respectfully yours (not),
DM
 
I absolutely loooooove the first half. Listen to it more than once, it took me more than one listen. It's brilliant! :drool:
 
dmesq, as a new poster, let me alert you of something: Sarcasm is the key ingredient which makes this forum so great. :wink:
 
Re: Chill the @#$% out Acrobat

dmesq said:
Okay, Acrobat, I went ahead & posted it to the "Official" thread. My review was the first thing I've ever posted to this website. Geez. Hopefully moving it over to the "official" thread helps to make me only half an asshole in your eyes. It doesn't do much for you in mine, I'll tell you that. Let's see you sit down for an hour and really try to pour your heart out in a review of this album to the best of your abilities, dumbass.

Respectfully yours (not),
DM

When I read Tip Top Prince's comments, or as you called him "Acrobat", I thought that was rather tasteless, but how you replied was no better. Sarcasm is always fun, but when it's as tasteless as you were, you no longer have integrity, and therefore shouldn't be criticizing other people like that.


Lance.
 
well I can certainly never agree with anyone that calls COBL dully uplifting and thinks acrobat went nowhere musically! Yes it was underrated by the critics but most of us here will agree it's a freakin' classic...
 
I agree with your appraisal of Crumbs, it might be the best song on the album, I haven't made my mind up on that yet. I am shocked that the early reviews all came to consensus that it was the wekaest track, when it is clearly NOT. Not even close.

As far as the negativity shown towards "Side One"
That;s fine, I dont get offended when people criticize U2 like most people on this board do. I would say that "Side Two" is the strongest side two they've made since Zooropa. (my take) but that's not saying a whole hell of a lot.

And side one, I really like it. I like the first 6 tracks, they are all strong, IMO. Add Crumbs and Original and that is 8 very fine tracks which is 3 more than ATYCLB or POP had.

So I guess I disagree that the latter half is better than the first half, but it's a pretty good latter half as compared to post-Zooropa era.
 
Amish Baby

I'm very sorry everyone; I really didn't know this website was maintained via an Amish code of conduct. Guess it's time for me to grow out my beard and strap on those suspenders.

Anyways, with all due respect, Tip Top Prince can kiss my shiny white derriere as much as he pleases. With that loony nickname, he sounds like he's a bookie in Atlantic City.

...And how's that for sarcasm?
 
Re: Amish Baby

dmesq said:
I'm very sorry everyone; I really didn't know this website was maintained via an Amish code of conduct. Guess it's time for me to grow out my beard and strap on those suspenders.

Anyways, with all due respect, Tip Top Prince can kiss my shiny white derriere as much as he pleases. With that loony nickname, he sounds like he's a bookie in Atlantic City.

...And how's that for sarcasm?

Acctually it's quite bad, as what you said makes absolutely no sense. It wasn't the fact that we all need to "Behave" or follow a certain code of conduct (which is acctually only the proper thing to do), but that you comment that someone is being an asshole, and that he left you with a poor image of himself, yet you go on to proove more obnoxious than him.

Lance.
 
Re: Amish Baby

dmesq said:
I'm very sorry everyone; I really didn't know this website was maintained via an Amish code of conduct. Guess it's time for me to grow out my beard and strap on those suspenders.

Anyways, with all due respect, Tip Top Prince can kiss my shiny white derriere as much as he pleases. With that loony nickname, he sounds like he's a bookie in Atlantic City.

...And how's that for sarcasm?

Pretty good. Welcome to the board. Your post was interesting. I can't say I agree with your assessment of Electrical Storm, though. I think that song was an excellent side project between albums.

And, I’m curious, why don't you think Miracle Drug has a great melody? I think most people would agree that the chorus is pretty catchy. In addition, I think the bridge in Miracle Drug is among the most astounding things U2 has ever done. I was floored by it, and I would not say it was great unless I was really feeling it.

As for side 2 being better than side 1, I would say it is too close to call it without having to make it a heated argument. Side one has solid tracks. Vertigo, Miracle Drug, Sometimes, LaPoE, COBL are as good as ABOY, AMAAW, Crumbs, OSC, OoTS and Yahweh. OSC and Yahweh are the weakest in my opinion, only because they pale in comparison to these other gems.

I think the bigger issue is why they refused to make this album longer. I don’t get it. I haven’t heard Fast Cars or Mercy, but it makes little sense to me why they would leave off a more uptempo song like Fast Cars or a U2 classic like Mercy just to keep it short. Why not put out an album with more? More is not less...more is more in this case. I happen to think the Joshua Tree was too short also (maybe that’s me just being greedy).
 
Acctually more isn't more in this case. Not having heard the album yet I can't account for the feel of it but if U2 left these song off the album, then it is for a reason. I am about 90% sure it didn't have to do with the length of the album. Whenever U2 cuts a song from an album it is to make the tracklisting work better (which is the case here, according to the blender article). Moreso is the overall feel of the album. The band must have felt that these two songs just didn't coalece with the res of the tracks for whatever reason, so they had to be cut.
 
Lancemc said:
Acctually more isn't more in this case. Not having heard the album yet I can't account for the feel of it but if U2 left these song off the album, then it is for a reason. I am about 90% sure it didn't have to do with the length of the album. Whenever U2 cuts a song from an album it is to make the tracklisting work better (which is the case here, according to the blender article). Moreso is the overall feel of the album. The band must have felt that these two songs just didn't coalece with the res of the tracks for whatever reason, so they had to be cut.

Well, ask yourself this: would the Joshua Tree have been hurt by adding either Luminous Times or Walk to the Water? I'm not saying either one would have made the album 100x better. I'm just saying it would not have hurt. And don't reply by saying the band thought it was better this way. (Gee, ya think?) U2 does make mistakes, ya know. As for your coalescing point, I completely disagree. Vertigo sounds like it barely belongs with some of the other tracks on this album.

Purposely making short albums is like setting a limit on the number of pages when you write a report. There might be a heck of a lot of quality material left out for the sake of brevity.

I just want to find out why.
 
Songs that should've been cut; B-sides that should've been kept

There are a ton of songs that U2 should have cut from their albums; likewise, there are a ton of b-sides that should have been kept on the albums...examples:

SHOULD'VE BEEN CUT:
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses from AB
Ultraviolet (Light My Way) from AB
The First Time from Zooropa
If God Will Send His Angels from Pop
Last Night On Earth from Pop
Please from Pop
When I Look At The World from ATYCLB
Miracle Drug from HTDAAB
City of Blinding Lights from HTDAAB


SHOULD'VE BEEN ADDED:
Walk On By (demo session) to AB
Pop Muzik to Pop
Slug to Pop
Always Forever Now to Pop
North And South Of The River To PopI'm Not Your Baby to Pop
Don't Take Your Guns To Town to ATYCLB
Dreaming With Tears In My Eyes to ATYCLBFast Cars to HTDAAB
 
FullonEdge2 said:
holy moley. you did not just say that Please should have been cut from Pop.

I know. Pop without "Please" would make want to crawl up into a dank cave and rot for years before dying a horrible, miserable, lonely death.
 
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