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Hey, check out this U2 review - quite mean! (if its been up, Im very sorry), ATYCLB

Check it out, as I said, sorry if you've ever read this.....but..interesting......

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It has been almost one year since U2 released ATCLYB, the album which was
SUPPOSED to save rock and roll and give the music industry a fresh new
direction. Being burdened with saving the rock music industry is quite a
monumental task, even for the best band in the world. In this article, we
will explore the facts and give an objective overview as to what U2 has done
- both positive and negative - to save rock and roll from extinction.

U2's Positive Rock Accomplishments

1) U2 releases a rock album titled All That You Can't Leave Behind. Don't
laugh. This may not seem like such a big deal, however, it is still a rock
related accomplishment since, thanks to the major labels, there are not that
many rock albums being released these days.

2) To shamelessly promote their new album, U2 pays tribute to former rock
stars Mike Hutchence, Joey Ramone, The Clash and The Beatles. Even though
these artists have a snowball's chance in hell to make it back to the
industry, U2 promotes them like they are just one album away from returning
to glory.

3) U2 gives promising rock musicians a boost by dedicating the song 'Desire'
to them. Considering the shitty music being pumped out by the major labels
these days, these promising future rock stars will require a little bit more
than just desire to make it. U2 should be well aware of this since their
label is in the business of manufacuturing pop stars who cannot sing, dance
or identify any musical instrument related to a four piece band.

U2's Negative Rock Accomplishments

1) At the expense of their genuine rock fans, U2 goes out of their way to
market themselves to a bunch of teeny boppers whose musical knowledge is
limited to lip singing, tacky costumes and redundant dance moves. These
kids wouldn't know a guitar if someone took it and smashed it over their
heads.

2) U2 pricing their concert tickets out of the reach of the authentic grass
roots rock fan. Hey U2, in case you didn't know, real rock fans do not live
in the suburbs, they do not wear Gucci, they do not drive daddy's 50,000
dollar car and they certainly cannot afford your astronomical ticket prices.
Most real rock fans (and people for that matter) work two or three jobs just
to make ends meet. Just go to any U2 concert and look around at the fans.
Since when did these fake plastic people become "rock" fans? The answer is
they never became rock fans.

3) U2 using supporting acts like PJ Harvey, Nelly Furtado, The
Stereophonics, Garage and No Doubt to open their concerts. Are these solid
rock bands or elevator music artists who have been carefully selected in
order not to upstage an aging rock outfit with diminishing skills? How
about using an opening rock act from the 80's who can use a boost at this
time in their career? Bad idea because they may steal the show from U2.

4) U2 appearing in media outlets who only cover pop, hip hop and other
non-rock related artists. MTV, TeenHollywood, Much Music and the extinct
FarmClub are a few examples and reasons why rock is dying. Do these
organizations really know how to properly promote rock music? If you don't
even know what rock music is, how the fuck are you supposed to promote it?

5) U2 showing absolutely no support to the rock or alternative music
industry. Talking a bunch of shit and doing nothing except looking out for
your own skin is not providing support. When was the last time U2
contributed out of the kindness of their hearts something of value to the
industry? Everything they have done only relates to THEIR wallets.

6) U2 going for the big bucks and signing with a label whose apathy towards
rock music only rivals their own apathy. Certainly, this is a marriage made
in heaven. U2 could have signed with a smaller label for less money which
would have given them more freedom to support the industry, however, when
you sell out, why not sell out BIG?

7) U2 exploiting their older authentic "rock fans" and treating them like
shit. This does not need to be discussed any further.

8) U2 keeping silent on the recent developments in the digital music
environment. As the major labels are going out of their way to screw music
fans (overpriced CDs, copy protected CDs, a mass shut down of music on the
internet and a lack of quality rock music), major artists like U2 sit idly
by and watch helplessly. Actually, U2 has participated in the campaign by
screwing over their own fans. Do you know why Boston is not on the current
leg of the tour?

9) U2 not touring Latin America and Australia because there is not enough
money in it for them. However, U2 has no problem selling these poorer
countries their albums and taking money from these fans. Back in the late
70's, it cost Pink Floyd one million bucks per show to stage The Wall
concerts in arenas, not stadiums. Considering the enormous expense for
their shows, the concert tour did not do well financially. Pink Floyd
sacrificed for their fans, something U2 knows nothing about with their
stripped down (another word for low budget) show. How else do you explain
the lousy, drowned out sound quality at their concerts? Another explanation
may be to cover up for Bono's "delicate" voice.

10) U2 performing at tacky award shows. If you're a genuine rock band, you
tell these self-serving award shows to go fuck themselves and not even show
up to pick up your useless piece of fake metal (if retired bands like Lynyrd
Skynyrd can get a Grammy, there is absolutely no credibility to such
awards?). But when your tongue is so far up your label's ass that you can't
see or think straight, blowing off the award show is definitely out of the
question.

11) U2 mentioning at tacky award shows that rock music can rub shoulders
with HipHop, Rap and KiddyPop. Nice try, but no cigar. U2's current brand
of "rock" music is designed for clueless kids and housewives who need to go
on a diet. You think a real rock fan who has lived through the glory days
of rock music is buying all this double talk?

12) U2 censoring their non-rock setlist (removal of "Bullet The Blue Sky")
to kiss ass for whatever reason. This move is not surprising since U2 is
now controlled by the ignorant masses. How pathetic and wimpy can you get?

13) U2's live tour being promoted by radio censorship kings Clear Channel.
Let's telephone all of the Clear Channel stations and request "Bullet The
Blue Sky". Never mind, they're too busy playing classics like "God Bless
America".

Conclusion

So why is U2 and the media playing it like they are these saviors of rock
when, in fact, they are just as responsible for rock's downfall as are the
money hungry major labels? U2 "saving rock" headlines make excellent PR and
reading material geared towards readers who don't know jack shit about rock
- or any other type of music of substance for that matter.

U2 has no interest in saving rock music because this will only create more
competition for them. Remember, this is an aging band who will be lucky to
put out another mediocre rock album. If by some miracle the rock industry
picks up and returns to its previous glory, U2 will not be able to compete
with the younger talent out there. Therefore, U2 will be fired from their
job as the best rock band in the world and they will finally be out of luck.

On the other hand, if things remain constant, U2 can put out any type of
filler music which will be hailed by mainstream media as a great rock album.
When you have no frame of comparison, even the lousiest of rock music seems
great. Especially if it is marketed to ignorant fans who are more than
happy to eat up any type of shit you serve them.

As an example, have you heard the new Stone Temple Pilots album? Hey Scott,
as if you didn't know, your music was a lot better when you weren't so
straight and sober. The new STP album makes a great frisby for my dog to
retreat.

And isn't U2's thought process consistent with U2's label, who have gone out
of their way to stifle technology and attempt to monopolize the music
industry by the use of lawsuits and the buying out of their competition (did
they ever get screwed on that mp3.com deal or what?)?

When you leave the marketing of rock music up to a bunch of bozos who only
have their own self interests in mind, the result is a dying industry. It
is actually quite amusing to watch these culturally deprived so called music
pros tripping over their own feet trying to market something they know
nothing about.

What improvements has the rock industry made since U2 released their album?
If anything, things have become more grave and critical for the rock music
industry. When was the last time you saw a real rock concert, heard a real
rock song on the radio or went to a real rock club?

Can't wait to read the next bullshit pointless article of how rock music's
demise has been over exaggerated. At least now we know who is behind these
marvelous works of fiction.

PS: If we can pick up a ticket for 10 dollars from a desparate scalper
after the U2 show starts tonight in Montreal, we'll review it. Since the
show opens with "Beautiful Day" (which genius thought up this original
opening?), getting there for the beginning is not necessary.

If we are unable to pick up a ticket, just read any review from the first
time around. Subtract an impact opening song and "Bullet The Blue Sky" and
you will have the concert in a nutshell. And don't forget to add the sleep
inducing "What's Going On".


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Hahahaha!

I have seen this post indeed! This was written by the sad, sad person who trolls the U2 newsgroup regularly under the name of HighwayHome. He/she never actually bothers to have an intelligent discussion, choosing instead to come, dump and leave. It's frightening to think that someone would spend so much effort on hating some band. Anyway, anyone who calls PJ Harvey "elevator music" obviously has no clue on what they're bumming on about.
 
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Oh, this would be so easy to tear apart. I mean, some of the fact aren't even accurate. But I think we all know this is a steaming pile if crap anyway, so I'll refrain.
 
WOW!!! Highway Home!! I haven't seen that troll in a long time.... he used to post on the usenet groups, what a freakin moron he was/is... always good for a laugh though....
 
while i can't say any of the stuff is inaccurate, simply because i don't know a lot about the facts and stuff, i can say a lot of this is opinion. while i do agree with *some* of it, positive and negative. however, you can't make an argument on the suckiness of an album, trying to show it off as fact, when your argument is full of opinions. an example might be saying something like some band sucks cuz they're ugly. lame example, i know, but it's the best one i can think of at the moment.
 
WHAT THE F***? I've never read so much nonsense in my life! "Exploiting their older rock fans"? I've been a fan since 1983. If I was exploited while I thought I'd died and gone to heaven when I was Elevated twice last year, no one recorded my birth, I was never a baby, and I'm not a member of the female sex.
I know some people live and die off of cutting other people down, but that's extreme. Yuck!:barf: :barf: :sick: :sick: :down: :shocked:
 
LMAO

That's quite the interesting take on things. Especially considering how many amazingly inaccurate points he makes and the obvious skewing of words to promote his overwhelming bias.

aka

What a steaming load of shit! If he actually made one point, just one measly little point, that could actually stand up under analysis as having some validity, I would give the guy credit, but damn...that's one pathetic argument!
 
Re: Hey, check out this U2 review - quite mean! (if its been up, Im very sorry), ATYCLB

As said, this guy talks a lot of bullsh*t... and he's doing it in a extremely harsch way. But I have to say he's got a point in some of it:

mad1 said:



U2's Negative Rock Accomplishments

1) At the expense of their genuine rock fans, U2 goes out of their way to
market themselves to a bunch of teeny boppers whose musical knowledge is
limited to lip singing, tacky costumes and redundant dance moves. These
kids wouldn't know a guitar if someone took it and smashed it over their
heads.

2) U2 pricing their concert tickets out of the reach of the authentic grass
roots rock fan. Hey U2, in case you didn't know, real rock fans do not live
in the suburbs, they do not wear Gucci, they do not drive daddy's 50,000
dollar car and they certainly cannot afford your astronomical ticket prices.
Most real rock fans (and people for that matter) work two or three jobs just
to make ends meet. Just go to any U2 concert and look around at the fans.
Since when did these fake plastic people become "rock" fans? The answer is
they never became rock fans.

3) U2 using supporting acts like PJ Harvey, Nelly Furtado, The
Stereophonics, Garage and No Doubt to open their concerts. Are these solid
rock bands or elevator music artists who have been carefully selected in
order not to upstage an aging rock outfit with diminishing skills? How
about using an opening rock act from the 80's who can use a boost at this
time in their career? Bad idea because they may steal the show from U2.

4) U2 appearing in media outlets who only cover pop, hip hop and other
non-rock related artists. MTV, TeenHollywood, Much Music and the extinct
FarmClub are a few examples and reasons why rock is dying. Do these
organizations really know how to properly promote rock music? If you don't
even know what rock music is, how the fuck are you supposed to promote it?


9) U2 not touring Latin America and Australia because there is not enough
money in it for them. However, U2 has no problem selling these poorer
countries their albums and taking money from these fans. Back in the late
70's, it cost Pink Floyd one million bucks per show to stage The Wall
concerts in arenas, not stadiums. Considering the enormous expense for
their shows, the concert tour did not do well financially. Pink Floyd
sacrificed for their fans, something U2 knows nothing about with their
stripped down (another word for low budget) show. How else do you explain
the lousy, drowned out sound quality at their concerts? Another explanation
may be to cover up for Bono's "delicate" voice.

10) U2 performing at tacky award shows. If you're a genuine rock band, you
tell these self-serving award shows to go fuck themselves and not even show
up to pick up your useless piece of fake metal (if retired bands like Lynyrd
Skynyrd can get a Grammy, there is absolutely no credibility to such
awards?). But when your tongue is so far up your label's ass that you can't
see or think straight, blowing off the award show is definitely out of the
question.


12) U2 censoring their non-rock setlist (removal of "Bullet The Blue Sky")
to kiss ass for whatever reason. This move is not surprising since U2 is
now controlled by the ignorant masses. How pathetic and wimpy can you get?






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Alright, what the hell :D. I'll respond to some of these so called points.

1) At the expense of their genuine rock fans, U2 goes out of their way to
market themselves to a bunch of teeny boppers whose musical knowledge is
limited to lip singing, tacky costumes and redundant dance moves. These
kids wouldn't know a guitar if someone took it and smashed it over their
heads.
First of all, how exactly is marketing themselves to a younger crowd done "at the expense of their genuine rock fans" as this guy says? If U2 really wanted to save rock and roll, then they'd have to pull in a larger audience, yes? And since by far the most active and vocal musical audience right now is the "teeny boppers," then it would seem to make sense that U2 would want to show them what quality music sounds like. He pretty much ruins his own argument with "these kids wouldn't know a guitar if someone took it and smashed it over their heads." Well yeah, that's why U2 is enlightening them, smart guy. :rolleyes:

2) U2 pricing their concert tickets out of the reach of the authentic grass
roots rock fan. Hey U2, in case you didn't know, real rock fans do not live
in the suburbs, they do not wear Gucci, they do not drive daddy's 50,000
dollar car and they certainly cannot afford your astronomical ticket prices.
Most real rock fans (and people for that matter) work two or three jobs just
to make ends meet. Just go to any U2 concert and look around at the fans.
Since when did these fake plastic people become "rock" fans? The answer is
they never became rock fans.
Yes, everybody who has a nit to pick goes straight for the ticket prices. Nevermind that the majority of the tickets were priced at $45 (including the best 'seats' in the house), which is far below the usual ticket price for a huge superstar act that's been around for a while. If $45 is out of the reach of the authentic grass roots rock fan, then maybe it's time to pick a different genre of music to get into, because you're not going to find much cheaper.

3) U2 using supporting acts like PJ Harvey, Nelly Furtado, The
Stereophonics, Garage and No Doubt to open their concerts. Are these solid
rock bands or elevator music artists who have been carefully selected in
order not to upstage an aging rock outfit with diminishing skills? How
about using an opening rock act from the 80's who can use a boost at this
time in their career? Bad idea because they may steal the show from U2.
This is just ridiculous. If you're going to call PJ Harvery, Garbage and No Doubt elevator music artists, then you obviously don't have a clue. As far as aging rock act with diminishing skills, that's a nice little piece of opinion with pretty much nothing solid to back it up. And name me some rock acts from the 80s who are still producing new albums. Now name me ones that don't already have fairly large tours of their own. Uh huh, that's what I thought.

4) U2 appearing in media outlets who only cover pop, hip hop and other
non-rock related artists. MTV, TeenHollywood, Much Music and the extinct
FarmClub are a few examples and reasons why rock is dying. Do these
organizations really know how to properly promote rock music? If you don't
even know what rock music is, how the fuck are you supposed to promote it?
Once again, the reason why they're on these stations is to (and I know this may come as a surprise) try and bring rock music back into the foreground of the music landscape. And what better way then to re-introduce it in venues where the more popular music of the day is getting played - MTV, TeenHollywood, Much Music, FarmClub. To completely ignore MTV would be absolute stupidity on any bands part that was trying to get their message heard. And much like the marketing to teeny boppers, U2, by appearing on these stations, is trying to show these people that rock music isn't dead and that's there's more than just hip hop and rap out there.

9) U2 not touring Latin America and Australia because there is not enough
money in it for them. However, U2 has no problem selling these poorer
countries their albums and taking money from these fans. Back in the late
70's, it cost Pink Floyd one million bucks per show to stage The Wall
concerts in arenas, not stadiums. Considering the enormous expense for
their shows, the concert tour did not do well financially. Pink Floyd
sacrificed for their fans, something U2 knows nothing about with their
stripped down (another word for low budget) show. How else do you explain
the lousy, drowned out sound quality at their concerts? Another explanation
may be to cover up for Bono's "delicate" voice.
Apparently this guy never heard of Popmart and Zoo TV. Both enormous tours (in both size and cost) that travelled all across the globe. I wonder how many millions of dollars U2 sacrificed in those 2 tours alone to play around the world. But apparently that doesn't count for anything. And WTF is he talking about with the "lousy, drowned out sound quality at their concerts?" Every concert I went to had really good sound quality.
10) U2 performing at tacky award shows. If you're a genuine rock band, you
tell these self-serving award shows to go fuck themselves and not even show
up to pick up your useless piece of fake metal (if retired bands like Lynyrd
Skynyrd can get a Grammy, there is absolutely no credibility to such
awards?). But when your tongue is so far up your label's ass that you can't
see or think straight, blowing off the award show is definitely out of the
question.
Once again, if you want to get your voice heard, you've got to hit the big points. How exactly does this guy expect a band to try and live up to their "savior of rock and roll" moniker if they don't hit MTV, don't hit any awards show, and don't market themselves to the biggest audience out there? Reeeeaaally retarded argument if you ask me.


12) U2 censoring their non-rock setlist (removal of "Bullet The Blue Sky")
to kiss ass for whatever reason. This move is not surprising since U2 is
now controlled by the ignorant masses. How pathetic and wimpy can you get?
They only took it off on a couple shows. Both 3rd leg shows I saw included Bullet. And if you can't appreciate a band taking off an anti-American (or anti-80's America) song right after a vicious attack on American soil, then you're not too bright, bub.
 
Well, they could tour the Third World (although God knows how safe that is these days?) or at least Australia and its environs, yes. They don't have to play tacky awards shows. But hey, this doesn't exactly make them BSB. I mean, heck, touring is very tough, and I can see why they want something out of it. Most of the stuff he says is so inane that it doesn't even bother me, I have to laugh at people who get themselves so worked up over stuff like this. I mean, heck, why don't you get mad at Coca-Cola for putting out cherry coke if you hate cherries like me????!!!:lol: :lol:
 
A guy who doesn't like PJ Harvey, Garbage, and U2 has no opinion worth considering.
 
Yeah, I was at the Philly show the day Timothy McVeigh was executed...they did an extra-long version of BTBS and added the line about "Timothy runs into the arms of America."

Uh-huh, sure, that didn't take cojones or anything. :eyebrow:
 
typhoon said:
A guy who doesn't like PJ Harvey, Garbage, and U2 has no opinion worth considering.

Can you believe he called Garbage and PJ Harvey "elevator music"? Can you believe.........this guy couldn't write bad comic books.
 
Whoa...

Obviously I had missed out on dealing with this troll that wrote all that, and I'm just gonna say this in response to what that troll said about U2:

Ouch.

But, as everyone here knows, and as some have mentioned, that person is just a troll who knows next to nothing about music and about U2, so...

And Diemen, I totally agree with what you said.

*Walks away muttering: No Doubt is elevator music? O-kay...*

Angela
 
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paxetaurora said:


But wouldn't it be funny if they played...I dunno, "50 Foot Queenie" or "Kamikaze" in an elevator?

lmao. I would pay money to see people's reactions if they played Kamikaze in an elevator. :mac:

how could that happen...how could that happen again...where the F*** was I lookin' when all his horses came in....

kamikazeeeeeeee!

oooh, I love that song. kick ass!
 
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