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Old 04-06-2006, 07:28 AM   #46
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This 'raw' sound that everyone talks about has nothing to do with their skills as musicians.

As compared to say the presentation of songs on JT, the last two albums ARE relatively over produced. No doubt about that. The songs are more polished and there is just generally a lot going on in them.

Pop also had a lot of production, but it only enhanced the songs.
(Most of them anyway)

The problem with the current songs is that there is unnecessary production.

Take for example Yahweh and Original of the Species.

The live (read :stripped down) versions on the Chicago DVD were infinitely superior to the album versions.

They didn't have any of the 'layers' of instruments which are present on the album and that only added to the emotions conveyed through the songs.

The question is why did the band think that we needed those 'layers' to enjoy the songs on the album?
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Old 04-06-2006, 09:25 AM   #47
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Interesting discussion...

Metalcap, yes, if it's simply the sound we are talking about, then it can boil down to production, but when we talk about raw in the U2 sense of the word, I think many are talking about the energy and the feel of the song as well.

As far as the production of Atomic Bomb goes, I agree with you. The songs are so stripped down, that a big production can blanket them, cover them up too much. However, some songs demand a layered production to take it out into the ether, no matter how bare boned. Take 'With or Without You', for example. Listen to that on headphones, and lose yourself in all the layers. Not overproduced at all, yet it could have been an acoustic arrangement.

Interesting stuff....
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Old 04-06-2006, 01:24 PM   #48
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I agree that production, when done correctly, can totally take a song to the next level. Excellent example with WOWY. Every layer is just so well structured and perfectly done.
Even the other songs on JT, there's the perfect blend of the rawness of the band and the production.

But after hearing the stripped down versions of OOTS and Yahweh, I can't help but think that the production on HTDAAB really 'tamed' those songs.
And not just those two, the whole album. The songs are all good..the song writting and melodies are excellent...but I think with the proper production, this album could've been something else.

I think it's time U2 got a new mixing team...
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WOW! i didnt think this post would get this much "feedback" lol
i was just simply saying that their sound live is much more stripped down to its "raw" form. being JUST vox,guitar,drums,and bass. please dont get me wrong when the EDGE layers on guitars to create that wall of sound ,that is the most beautiful thing in the world. its just that sometimes on the album too much layers(guitars included) can "muddy" up the song.
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i was just simply saying that their sound live is much more stripped down to its "raw" form. being JUST vox,guitar,drums,and bass.
They haven't been just vox, guitar, drums, and bass live since late 80's early 90's.

Hell even on the UF tour they were using loops at their live shows.

But starting ZooTV is when they used them extensively.
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WOW! i didnt think this post would get this much "feedback" lol
i was just simply saying that their sound live is much more stripped down to its "raw" form. being JUST vox,guitar,drums,and bass. please dont get me wrong when the EDGE layers on guitars to create that wall of sound ,that is the most beautiful thing in the world. its just that sometimes on the album too much layers(guitars included) can "muddy" up the song.
Yes, that makes sense..... But when we look at an album such as Achtung Baby, it is probably their most "muddy" album to date. A song like 'Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses' has layer upon layer infused with all kinds of mud. But it's gorgeous mud. Sometimes an album with a groove needs some mud. And it came across nice and dirty live without relying on heavy chords or anything. An album such as 'Atomic Bomb' doesn't need all this mud, however, since it is much more stripped in form and style. It's not so much an album with a "groove" that demands to have a mud dance. Once again, we need to ask the simple question - Does it fit?

I think Atomic Bomb would have been better with a more stripped production, with a sound closer to how they perform the songs live. Just look what the Beatles did with their last album, Let it Be. They reproduced it without all the heavy production. Anyone listened to the new version? I haven't heard it yet, but it would be interesting I'm sure.
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