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Old 01-11-2002, 09:24 AM   #1
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Eerie 9/11 references on ATYCLB

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this subject yet. The other day I listened to the album and found so many lines/references to 9/11 even the though the album pre-dates the attacks. Has anyone else picked up on them?

- First off the album has songs called "New York" & "Peace on Earth"

- Secondly the theme of mortality is present of the album ie SIAM, Walk On, Kite, IALW, POE, WILATW

- The airport theme seems to have taken a quite morbid turn too

As for lines in songs...these are the ones that kinda freak me out

"Religious nuts, political fanatics....thats where I lost you in New York"

"I wasn't jumping, for me it was a fall, its a long way down to nothing at all"

"Life should be fragrant, rooftop to the basement"

"They're reading names now over the radio, all the folks the rest of us won't get to know"

"You're packing a suitcase for a place none of us have been"

"I'm in the waiting room, can't see through the smoke, I think of you and your holy book while the rest of us choke"

Overall I think the album is a remedy to the events and has helped people cope. Since it has that effect I think it is a hands done shoe-in for Album of the Year.

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Old 01-11-2002, 09:27 AM   #2
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I have noticed all these things before. In fact, I couldn't listen to ATYCLB for a while after 9/11. It brought up to many things for me. I am still having trouble with Peace On Earth.

I think that it deserves to win "Album of the Year" because it is a great album, full of meaningful lyrics, well written songs, and played by incredible artists. I DON'T think that it deserves to win because of 9/11. I think that would be a gain for U2 from others hardships.
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Old 01-11-2002, 09:29 AM   #3
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I totally agree with you, it is a fantastic album and should win based on that. It will win though and partly because of the affect it had on listeners in addition to its brilliance.
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Old 01-11-2002, 09:33 AM   #4
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I don't think that U2 "benefitting" from the awful events of 9/11 is the case. I think that there was a need, and ATYCLB fit that need. The fact that the album had been thought up, recorded, released, and toured long before 9/11 occurred and was not something created in reaction to the events, in an attempt to capitalize on them, to me just makes it all the more special that it uniquely is able to speak to the repercussions of it.

You might add the song 'Please' to that list of eerie coincidences, btw.
"September, streets capsizing, spilling over and down the drain, shards of glass, splinters like rain, but you could only feel your own pain."
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Old 01-11-2002, 09:38 AM   #5
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I don't think that U2 "benefitting" from the awful events of 9/11 is the case. I think that there was a need, and ATYCLB fit that need. The fact that the album had been thought up, recorded, released, and toured long before 9/11 occurred and was not something created in reaction to the events, in an attempt to capitalize on them, to me just makes it all the more special that it uniquely is able to speak to the repercussions of it.
While that's true, this album has been very comforting and healing for many people during and after 9-11. People really respect that.

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Old 01-11-2002, 09:41 AM   #6
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While that's true, this album has been very comforting and healing for many people during and after 9-11. People really respect that.

That was the point I was making.
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That was the point I was making.
Oh!

Well...I just summed it up for you then!

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Old 01-11-2002, 09:44 AM   #8
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Yeah, that line from Please is quite interesting.
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Old 01-11-2002, 09:57 AM   #9
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yeah it seems that U2 wrote a deep album whose meaning was only begun to be understood well after the fact for the most unfortunate reasons imaginable.
i'm certain as the history of pop music is recorded for the year 2001, and obviously deeply colored by the events of September 11th, All That You Can't Leave Behind will be remembered as one of pop's most important 'responses', even though it wasn't that at all.

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Old 01-11-2002, 10:40 AM   #10
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I was in a Target store in Jersey that day buying clothes since I wouldn't be back in the city for a few days and tried to get an extra copy of ATYCLB. All gone. Went and bought JT instead which coincidentally has the line "See the dust cloud disappear without a trace." Yep.

As for ATYCLB, I also couldn't listen to it for awhile after the attacks. Just too emotional. But its been a good healing album. As for specific lines, I do remember a banner someone brought to the 10/27 NYC show that said "Their lives are bigger now than any big idea." Yep.
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Another eerie coincidence was the announcement of their return to the US for the 3rd leg of the Elevation Tour. If any of you remember, the original announcement was scheduled for September 11th, however, for some reason it was announced on September 10th.
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Went and bought JT instead which coincidentally has the line "See the dust cloud disappear without a trace." Yep.
Which on tour 3rd leg Bono changed to "see the dust cloud of DEATH disappear w/o a trace" - he'd usually shout the word death.

Bono himself said that their album could have been written a few months ago (meaning for Sept11th), not a year ago. They know it's spooky too.

another point would be the live show, when they did NY on 1st & 2nd legs. Bono would walk around, crouching down, covering his eyes, walk like he was blind.. weird.

Beautiful Day- anyone else besides me remember what a stunningly beautiful day it was on Sept 11th? Last week I read an interview w/ Larry expressing the same sentiments I had.

Or Bono singing "When Will I See You Again" so many nights during the first & second legs.

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Old 01-11-2002, 11:09 AM   #13
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Originally posted by sulawesigirl4:
"September, streets capsizing, spilling over and down the drain, shards of glass, splinters like rain, but you could only feel your own pain."
Freaky... very freaky. I'm starting to think Bono is some kind of prophet. *shivers*

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Freaky... very freaky. I'm starting to think Bono is some kind of prophet. *shivers*

nope, he just writes about the horrible things that have been going on in ireland and other places for many years, and now that it happened in the usa ... more people can now relate to it.

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also worth mentioning as a "Sept. 11th reference" are the lyrics of Walk On. Even though this song was written for a specific person, i think that after Sept. 11th the words could also be applied more generally to the country of America. There's also the whole bird/freedom reference (see below), which could be interpreted as referring to the bald eagle as a symbol of American democracy....

"You could have flown away
A singing bird
In an open cage
Who will only fly
Only fly for freedom

Walk on
Walk on
What you got
You can't deny it
Can't sell it or buy it

Walk on
Walk on
Stay safe tonight"

It really amazes me how Sept. 11 has made ATYCLB more relevant than ever. It was a great album beforehand, but i think the events of this past year have pushed into a new category entirely.
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I have to say, that a lot of there songs, can be refrenced to Sept 11. the world has been dealing with all this since before we were born. It's just that i personally feel that most people in US, felt that we were untouchable & what not. It was HUGE wake up call America needed. I have do have to say being from NYC & having my life severally changed & dealing with everything, which i still struggling with at times. I mean just started getting back to normal now, how long has it been? I kept ATYCLB in my CD player at all times. It helped.

Bono is kind of prophet like whether you want to believe it our not. I call him an angel in disguise.

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Bono is kind of prophet like whether you want to believe it our not. I call him an angel in disguise.
why?
because he's able to predict that what has happened in the past will probably happen again?

to me "ATYCLB" has as much to do with 9/11 as with the death of my grannie

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*Sigh*
Really, I donīt like interpretations like that. We are lucky that U2 made no comment about this, because some musicians have been weird and stupid enough to see songs they have written in the past as a kind of outlook to what happened, and therefore say "ohohooo I knew it somehow (through my brilliant artistic imagination) beforehand - so as you see this adds something to my image of being spiritual - GO BUY MY ALBUM NOW!

How can art be misused for these purposes?
And a tragic event, too, be misused for sales?

On another note: Sure, there are wide interpretations you can draw from a piece of art, especially also from a songtext. But can you look at that like a reference? I donīt think so, because then you might as well link a piece of Beethoven to this event.

So... I donīt think it is freaky, like Ana. I think these are plain coincidences. Sure, musicians tend to be opened to influences from what happens around them.
But I am against any instrumentalisation of music by politics. Should be the other way īround, if it could be.

Then, the sentence I thought mostly about on ATYCLB in reference to 9/11, was "In New York summers get hot well into the hundreds".
I was expecting them to change this line at their live shows in the U.S., but I guess they didnīt... thatīs kind of cool, that they stick to what they wrote, even if it may be misinterpreted.

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Bono is kind of prophet like whether you want to believe it our not. I call him an angel in disguise.
why?
because he's able to predict that what has happened in the past will probably happen again?

to me "ATYCLB" has as much to do with 9/11 as with the death of my grannie

What i mean by prophet is trying to make people aware...not to live in a bubble..talking about issues or subjects that most people wouldn't.

I think there are several different takes you can talk about regarding ATYCLB.
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I also agree that it is very eerie, but I think that U2 will win Grammy's because the Album is briliant! =)

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