Double Standards

[WildHonee]

I was thinking about the double standard of males vs females in music today (shut up, it's been a boring day

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I, for one, could not think of a single female entertainer singer type person that both guys AND girls liked/respected. I mean most of the female singers are thought of as whores, so...

Can ANYONE think of someone?

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[DrTeeth]

Kate Bush, Jewel and there are more I can?t think of right now.

Many male singers are thought of as whores as well; Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Jody Bernal (don?t ask...) and ofcourse the boyband-crap.

I don?t think there?s a double-standard.

 

[pub crawler]

Shirley Manson.

 

[U2Kitten]

No one thinks of Michelle Branch as a whore. She is very talented, I mean an accomplished singer-songwriter at 18! She doesn't need cheap costumes and stupid dancers behind her, she's got tunes and music and she has my respect!

 

[WildHonee]

I agree with Jewel qualifying

I was also thinkin Tori Amos and Fiona Apple....

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[Gina Marie]

Sarah McLachlan?

Tori Amos?

Alicia Keys?

I think there is a slight double standard as far as guys are 'permitted' to use their 'sex-appeal', whereas if a woman does that, it is not as accepted.

Of course, either gender using that w/ out any musical talent to back it up is not respectable, imo. Do I even need to give examples?

 

[lazyboy]

Dolores O'Riordan of the Cranberries

 

[WildHonee]

Originally posted by Gina Marie:
I think there is a slight double standard as far as guys are 'permitted' to use their 'sex-appeal', whereas if a woman does that, it is not as accepted.

Yeah, THAT'S what I mean

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[DrTeeth]

Originally posted by lazyboy:
Dolores O'Riordan of the Cranberries

I hope this wasn?t meant as an example to back up Gina Marie?s statement!!!

 

[Salome]

Originally posted by Gina Marie:
I think there is a slight double standard as far as guys are 'permitted' to use their 'sex-appeal', whereas if a woman does that, it is not as accepted.

mmm, I don't think guys have any problem with female singers showing sex-appeal

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Salome
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[Gina Marie]

Originally posted by Salome:
mmm, I don't think guys have any problem with female singers showing sex-appeal

Yes, I'm sure they don't

,but women are judged more harshly imo in the music industry for doing so.

I am all for women, and men, being free to do so, as long as they actually have musical talent to back it up, and don't have to rely solely on their looks and/or skimpy outfits.


What about Alanis Morissette?

OK-some guys might not like her music or what she says about men

 

[Salome]

Originally posted by Gina Marie:
but women are judged more harshly imo in the music industry for doing so.

women in the music industry are judged more harshly, but IMO foremost by women

example: even though almost every music critic can+will tell you that Destiny's Child are very good (even though I don't like them that much) you'll still have a hard time finding 3 women over here at Feedback to say something positive about them

and this has more to with the way they dress than with their musical abilities

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Salome
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[This message has been edited by Salome (edited 12-23-2001).]

 

[david]

Janis Joplin
Veruca Salt
Joan Jett
Tori Amos
Billie Holiday
Anne and Nancy Wilson of Heart
Kim Deal


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[WildHonee]

I used to think Gwen Stefani was half-way respectable, but then I don't know what happened to her this past year. Blarg!

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Love me, give me soul.

"For the good of the nation, you must defile Bono!" ~Echo~

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[martha]

Originally posted by WildHonee:
I used to think Gwen Stefani was half-way respectable, but then I don't know what happened to her this past year. Blarg!

Her complete lack of talent has caught up with her.

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[WildHonee]

Originally posted by martha:
Her complete lack of talent has caught up with her.

Lol

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~*Mona*~ Secretary of Scandalization
97% compatible with Bono

Love me, give me soul.

"For the good of the nation, you must defile Bono!" ~Echo~

"Get me the Bean Giant!" ~Houdini~

 

[barlowdog]

Kathleen Hanna, formerly of Bikini Kill and now with Le Tigre

Juliana Hatfield!!!!

 

[cmb737]

Polly Jean..PJ Harvey? I read some magazine named her female artist of the century or something fantastically hard to contemplate or debate.



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[Flaming Friar Sr]

yes there are double standards but i think that has to do with the fact that men make better pop/rock music in general. im not saying men are superior or anything of that rubbish kind. its just a fact that male voices go better with this kind of music. and way more guys start playing in bands when theyre younbg (although that seems to change a bit). its very different in jazz and classical music.

oh and if anyone wants to flame take a look at the top 20 best bands/acts thread first.

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[This message has been edited by Flaming Friar Sr (edited 12-24-2001).]

 

[david]

Joni Mitchell

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[Achtung Zooropa]

Sinead O'Connor
Stevie Nicks
PJ Harvey

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[Danospano]

Annie Lennox
Joni Mitchell
Barbara Streisand
Roberta Flack
Aretha Franklin
Shirley Manson
Chrissie Hynde
Alicia Keyes
Alanis Morissette
Enya
Dido
Macy Gray
Elton John
Melissa Etheridge
Sarah McLachlan
Sheryl Crow
Tori Amos
Diana Ross
Pat Benatar
Mariah Carey (pre-divorce)
Alison Krause
Boy George
Lauren Hill
Des'ree
Kim Carnes
Dionne Warwick
Huey Lewis
Bonnie Raitt
Diana Krall
Jewel
Natalie Merchant
Mary J. Blige

 

[cmb737]

Originally posted by Danospano:

Huey Lewis

Am I reading this right? Or have I missed some major event in the life Huey Lewis and the News? Saw him at the airport 4 days ago. Random thought.

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[brettig]

very comprehensive list dano...was about to say Annie Lennox, cos she rocks.

 

[Angela Harlem]

Courtney Love.

She never had to use her contacts, or flaunt herself to get to where she is today.

 

[Angela Harlem]

Forgot to say, great list dano, esp the Kim Carnes reference. No one seems to have heard of her.

And Annie Lennox rocks bert.

I should have just edited I know, but hey, sue me.

 

[WildHonee]

Originally posted by Angela Harlem:
Courtney Love.

She never had to use her contacts, or flaunt herself to get to where she is today.

!! LMAO



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~*Mona*~ Secretary of Scandalization
97% compatible with Bono

Love me, give me soul.

"For the good of the nation, you must defile Bono!" ~Echo~

"Get me the Bean Giant!" ~Houdini~

 

[kariatari]

Aimee Mann

 

[WildHonee]

I suppose I've been proven wrong. Thanks

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~*Mona*~ Secretary of Scandalization
97% compatible with Bono

Love me, give me soul.

"For the good of the nation, you must defile Bono!" ~Echo~

"Get me the Bean Giant!" ~Houdini~

 

[80sU2isBest]

Agnetha Faltskog
Maire Brennan (Enya's sister)