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Old 05-04-2004, 02:49 PM   #136
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The Pop naysayers in this thread? Again, I believe people may be refering to previous threads.

It does make sense and it should ALWAYS apply.

I cannot believe Im having to justify peoples rights to have a discussion.

This is very disturbing (IMHO). I will no longer take part in this thread.

No, I was talking about things that happened a long time ago.
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Old 05-04-2004, 03:35 PM   #137
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Eesh...

Okay, my US$0.02......
Confession: I got scared off by Zooropa. Lemon made me want to curl up an a ball and die. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, after UF, JT and AB had been so huge in my life. The Fly had been okay, if a bit jarring for someone who cut their teeth on the Pride video, but MacPhisto and the giant lemon a la Spinal Tap and so on... It only seemed to get worse from there. I became bitter and catty about U2, having to hide my blush when I'd get reminded "You used to be so into them!". And I allowed my disillusionment to get the best of me. I didn't even buy Pop until recently. I went looking for the 'spirit of U2' in other bands and found some that came close (oddly, there always seemed to be an Eno or Lanois connection, as in James or The Tea Party..), but even in 2000 when ATYCLB came out, and I read a review that simply said "This is a record that will make old U2 fans very very happy." I gave Beautiful Day half a listen, heard the few short seconds of Edge's familiar ringing guitar tones..... and shrugged and walked away again, but the fault lay within me, not the album.

Cut to the 1-year anniversary of 9/11, and Electrical Storm was released. It grabbed me by the spine and sent shocks all through me... burning away all that pent-up anger and disgust at what I thought the band had become... showed me just how bullheaded and wrong I had been.
Walk On, performed for the Tribute to Heroes benefit, even more so.

So here I am in 2004, in an unique position of working backwards from ATYCLB and The Hands That Built America, back through Pop and yes, even to the dreaded Zooropa where I'd left off in the first place.
Rediscovering the band that had hooked me 20 years earlier..... feels so strange.

I still don't like Zooropa very much. I likely never will.
But it did what it was meant to do, if what Paul McGuinness says is true -- that while they do appreciate it when "older fans" (get me my walking stick and dentures, huh?) stay on board, each album is meant for a new audience, to attract new people, not to placate the dinosaurs like myself.

Just because I came to U2 from the Unforgettable Fire-era, doesn't give me any sort of right to sneer at or bash people who became U2 fans after Zooropa, or after Pop, or after friggin YESTERDAY MORNING for all it matters. What makes me roll my eyes and murmur "ugh" under my breath may be the song that means the world to someone else.
Yeah, it took me time to appreciate the joke of Discotheque. But -- I get it now. And it's all good.

It's all good.
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Old 05-04-2004, 09:22 PM   #138
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given u2 are not great musicians(ex not very skilled with their instruments) they have made some impact. can you imagin what they would be if edge was as skilled as jimmy hendrix.

Yep you hit the nail on the head. U2 suck as musicians.
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It's J........I......M......I. Put that together, and you have
Jimi. It is Jimi Hendrix, not Jimmy. Unless you mean Jimmy
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Old 05-05-2004, 12:45 AM   #139
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oh fuck ya im a jimmy page fan(led zeppelin) so i spelled it that way (thanks for doing spell check for me)
i wont say u2 suck as musicians but compared to led zeppelin,acdc, gn'r, hendrix,velvet revolver and even the darkness u2 arnt that good with their instruments, lyrically u2 are one of the best(thanks to bono)! if you dont know what im talking about go get led zeppelin live, or acdc live, or just go to one of the darkness shows.
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oh fuck ya im a jimmy page fan(led zeppelin) so i spelled it that way (thanks for doing spell check for me)
i wont say u2 suck as musicians but compared to led zeppelin,acdc, gn'r, hendrix,velvet revolver and even the darkness u2 arnt that good with their instruments, lyrically u2 are one of the best(thanks to bono)! if you dont know what im talking about go get led zeppelin live, or acdc live, or just go to one of the darkness shows.
Wow, you should stop and think a little before you write something. AC/DC stuff is really easy to play, tabs are not even necessary. And the solos are great but not all that complicated too but even if they were that wouldnít do much difference, what's important is that they sound good, that's all. AC/DC is an example of how much you can do with very little and U2 is like that too but their musical skill are bigger and they have proven that in their albums. I have The Darkness cd and you either didn't listen to the whole cd or you never heard more than a few U2 songs. U2's songwriting ability is ten thousand times better than The Darkness'. The Darkness album is really repetitive stuff, very simple and easy stuff, itís just the same old riffs any other band out there comes up with. Can you compare the riff of I Believe In A Thing Called Love with the riff on I Will Follow? I donít think so. Can you compare the amazingness of The Electric Co. with anything on The Darknessí album? Sorry but you canít. Take Boy and listen to it and you will find a lot interesting and very original things The Edge did in that record. Then you take the three first records and you don't even have to pay much attention to realize that Larry and Adam are a billion times better and can play a lot better and more intricate stuff than the rhythm section of The Darkness and AC/DC. You are assuming The Darknessí guys are better musicians because they have a couple of solos on a single in a time where the songs on MTV don't have many solos. I think thatís awesome too but that doesn't mean that they are great musicians. Not at all because I can improvise better solos!

Guns Ní Roses, Led Zeppelin, Hendrix are all really good in what they do but the fact that they can play their instruments really well is not the reason their music is good. You got to pass through that dumb idea. Just because you have the skill doesnít mean you have the talent. The Edge is a great musician and he has something a lot of people donít have which is a style of his own, if you think that difficult stuff is what proves that someone is a better musician then listen to The Electric Co., Until The End Of The World, listen to the War album or the many guitars and different ideas on Achtung Baby.
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Yeah, it took me time to appreciate the joke of Discotheque. But -- I get it now. And it's all good.

It's all good.
You've made a great point, which is something that it took a while for me to be able to appreciate myself: just because you can't appreciate a song right now doesn't mean that you won't be able to appreciate it at a later point in your life.

That's why I'd like to encourage everyone to go back every once in a while and listen to the songs that you're teling yourself now that you hate, because you never know when you'll suddenly be able to see it from a different perspective and appreciate it in a whole new way, appreciating it for what it is rather than loading it with the expectations of what you wanted it to be.
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It's been 7 years, and I still hate Discotheque and the video. "Getting it" is not the thing, I got it a long time ago. I don't LIKE it. So I can understand how some things just aren't your type and never will be. Like they say, if it doesn't float your boat, it just doesn't. But nobody needs to keep harping on it. If there's an album you don't like, listen to a different one. Just because they put out an album you dislike doesn't mean they never will please you again. A lot of people didn't like Zooropa and Pop but liked ATYCLB, so maybe some of you who don't like ATYCLB might like the new record!
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is this thread still goin?
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is this thread still goin?
Hehe, it is now.
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Aw really, Discotheque is one of the funniest U2 videos, I think it proved once and for all, that U2 don't take themselves too seriously, and they have, and have had, great senses of humour.

U2kitten, I think Larry may share your opinion on the Discotheque video, since you don't like it, he looks like he'd rather be anywhere but doing that video.

Adam sitting under the discoball, yeah, I know a few girls who liked that.
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That's why I'd like to encourage everyone to go back every once in a while and listen to the songs that you're teling yourself now that you hate
I always do that. It's great to start liking a song you used to hate. I love when that happens cause they end up being one of my favorites for a long time or maybe forever!
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Aw really, Discotheque is one of the funniest U2 videos, I think it proved once and for all, that U2 don't take themselves too seriously, and they have, and have had, great senses of humour.

U2kitten, I think Larry may share your opinion on the Discotheque video, since you don't like it, he looks like he'd rather be anywhere but doing that video.

But it wasn't a good thing for them. They were completely out of place and looked stupid, no, not funny, stupid. That's how millions of fans and former fans at that point saw it. People were like, WTF??!! Regardless of if you think they were wrong to see it that way, they did. Therefore, it got the album off to a bad start, and made the band a joke. It took them a long time to overcome the damage. Whether or not you think they should have had to overcome it, they did. Whether or not you hate the fans or the media who dissed it, the legacy that remains is, bad first single, bad first video, bad first impression of the entire CD. If another one had been first, or if this one never existed, who knows how much more successful Pop might have been for the band! I think even some people who like it personally would have to agree with that. Did you ever think how it might have hurt ATYCLB to have the Stuck football version, or the Elevation video, first instead of BD?


Which brings us to the other subject, which single would you have released first? I would go with SATS.

Funny thing about ATYCLB and Pop threads, you can never discuss one without the other. It always turns out that way.

But then again, it doesn't matter. Pop and ATYCLB are in the past, what happened happened, and it doesn't matter now. It's time to look forward to the new one!
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the discotheque video is great, Zooropa is one of U2's 2 greatest albums and the darkness are occasionally funny but mostly crap. Therefore my opinions are pretty different from many people's here it seems...
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I'm sure a lot of people here agree with you. But I'm talking about the fan base as a whole, casual fans too, millions of potential customers, not just a few hundred diehards on a message board who spend too much time analyzing things (I am guilty!)
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well, popmart was U2's highest attended tour, so obviously the album couldnt have turned toooooo many people away
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But look at the sales difference between Pop and ATYCLB the CD's. Also consider it was a bigger tour that went to more places all over the world, which will naturally bring more money. Also consider ticket prices were higher in the late 90's than they were in the 80's or early 90's so naturally they had a higher intake. That's why Star Wars made more than Gone With the Wind, and Titanic made more than Star Wars. Higher price= higher profits. Image the amount of money they'd have made if they had taken Elevation to South and Central America, Japan, Australia, and Israel too. They were on the road for almost a year and a half with Popmart and only a little over 8 months with Elevation. Remember when Elevation ended Europe was hoping for a half promised second leg that never materialized.

What about New Orleans where only 20,000 of 60,000 seats were sold in the Superdome. Or Raliegh, NC where the show was cancelled due to low sales. Those are not U2-like stats. They also lost a lot of the money they made hauling all that stuff for the show all over the world. I think that scared them off from playing more places on Elevation. I hope they come to Australia and S. America and Japan this time (and The Philippines for Jick!)

Why are we still talking about Pop and ATYCLB when we have a new album coming? You all wanted it, now it's reality!
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