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Old 04-15-2002, 04:02 PM   #1
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criticism?

i know over the years that U2 has received a lot of criticism and negative press, esp. with rattle and hum and pop.

can anyone think of anything off the top of their heads that critics constantly blast U2 for, music-wise? the reason i ask is that i need this for a paper i'm working on. i don't need any specific links or anything, just like "oh a lot of people hate this song because of blah blah blah" and stuff like that.

any help is much appreciated. thanks!
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On another message board, somebody categorized U2 as being "old guys catering to 14 year olds." Eesh. But do you need just criticism from critics or general criticism?

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well, it can really be whatever, because i'm writing an argumentative paper about their lyrics and their relevence.

i'm just looking for intelligent arguments from people, not like "they're ugly so their music is crap."

but the one you posted helped me a lot. thanks!
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No problem. If I think of more that I've heard, I'll let you know.

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The one criticism I kind of remember is from the '80s (after Rattle and Hum) and it was sorta music related.

Some critics at the time were bashing U2 as overly sincere and supporting political views in their music that were considered fairly safe (i.e. opposing Apartheid, or supporting Amnesty International). The criticism was that OF COURSE one should be against racism, or fight for equal rights, or oppose war. But why doesn't U2 comment publicly (through their songs) when it comes to some really tough and/or divisive (especially in the U.S.) issues, such as abortion or capital punishment.

I think Bono's answer was that it's true U2 tends to support causes that are unifying rather than divisive...U2 is just positive that way. Plus, he said U2 never sat down and wrote songs where they go "ok, let's write an anti-war song" or "let's write a pro-environmentalist song"...they write what they write, sometimes dedicating the song to specific people, but the songs can fit certain universal themes.
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Bono's sunglasses. Journalists hate them. I have read many articles with negative and/or joking comments about them. They want to take them off, and break them.

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They want to take them off, and break them.
I want to take them off and keep them. Then I will have met the guy.

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I want to take them off and keep them. Then I will have met the guy.

Natch.

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I've never understood why people hate his glasses so much. He does have beautiful eyes, but if he wants to wear the glasses, it's fine with me.

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Oh and some of them call Bono egotistical and pretentious too. Hey if they thought they were presumptuous and pretentious for associating themselves with Johnny Cash and Elvis and BB King during R&H, what do you think they thought of him walking onstage to "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" to open the Elevation shows?

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Yep, I've heard Bono referred to as a "pretentious ass" but this was said by a fan of NSYNC so go figure...lmao...

Bono's glasses rule, although I really don't like the ones he wore post-POP, pre-ATYCLB. Actually, I think they're the ones in the ST video. But they looked okay in that video. But sometimes I see him with his hair slicked back wearing those glasses. What's my point? Oh, yeah. Those are the only Bono glasses I don't care for...

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Yep, I've heard Bono referred to as a "pretentious ass" but this was said by a fan of NSYNC so go figure...lmao...

Bono's glasses rule, although I really don't like the ones he wore post-POP, pre-ATYCLB. Actually, I think they're the ones in the ST video. But they looked okay in that video. But sometimes I see him with his hair slicked back wearing those glasses. What's my point? Oh, yeah. Those are the only Bono glasses I don't care for...

Wow Wertsie we agree on something! So I don't like Pop and you do and we both like ATYCLB but we both dislike his awful nerd look in between! I HATE those dork glasses he wore with the thick black frames and the jewels like some old woman's eeww! He looked nerdy in ST too. I thought he was looking so old in the late 90's. The VH-1 Legends and things like that, I thought, that's it, it's over he's lost his looks. Then, wow- his looks and his cool were back for Elevation! I saw one girl post once that the difference between the dorky glasses slick haired Bono and Elevation Bono was like the stereotypical nerd who gets a makeover on TV shows, like the girl on the Brady Bunch- unslick the hair and lose the dorky looking glasses and COOL! Add the leather jacket and we're back in business!

And I hate N'suck too!

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Well, here's a bit from a Joshua Tree review I found on one of the personal music sites:

"The best 80's album I've ever heard, but it still betrays the main weakness of the U2 formula: their sound - grandiose, breathy, layered, energizing, magnetic - works great when the strong songwriting is there, but when they try to dress up mediocre compositions, it ends up sounding awkward at best. Case in point: the opener, "Where The Streets Have No Name," has a full, ringing sound that millions enjoy, but when you compare it to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" or "With Or Without You" (as many do), it just can't stand up--it's more of a mantra than an actual song."

(I personally disagree with his take on WTSHNN, but in general he has a good point IMO.)

Other criticisms I've read:

- Some people think that, because Bono's lyrics are often very vague and non-specific, most of the U2 songs aren't really saying anything at all. "One" is a good example: some love it because it is open to interpretations, but others think that it's just an overblown weepie full of generic cliches.

- Some people think that because Edge doesn't play ultra-complicated guitar solos, then he must be a plodding talentless hack. Hence "God I hate that three chord band" type of remarks.

- Many dislike their 80s music because they find it too dour and humourless and that Bono has a Messiah complex. Many dislike the studied ironic posturing of their 90s music.
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Wow Wertsie we agree on something! So I don't like Pop and you do and we both like ATYCLB but we both dislike his awful nerd look in between! I HATE those dork glasses he wore with the thick black frames and the jewels like some old woman's eeww! He looked nerdy in ST too. I thought he was looking so old in the late 90's. The VH-1 Legends and things like that, I thought, that's it, it's over he's lost his looks. Then, wow- his looks and his cool were back for Elevation! I saw one girl post once that the difference between the dorky glasses slick haired Bono and Elevation Bono was like the stereotypical nerd who gets a makeover on TV shows, like the girl on the Brady Bunch- unslick the hair and lose the dorky looking glasses and COOL! Add the leather jacket and we're back in business!

And I hate N'suck too!

Yeah, for some reason it wasn't as bad for me in the ST video...Maybe with the hat. But, yeah, on the VH1 legends thing he looked awful! Thank goodness that all changed with ATYCLB. When I saw the video for "Beautiful Day" I breathed a sigh of relief!

Ugh...Don't even get me STARTED on NSYNC. *gag gag gag gag gag gag gag*

I've seen this quote from Bono that he said in 2001 that reads, "We are men. They are boys. Move over. Thank you very much!" and I always took it that he was talking about Boy bands. I just wish I know where he said it and all that.



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Yeah, for some reason it wasn't as bad for me in the ST video...Maybe with the hat. But, yeah, on the VH1 legends thing he looked awful! Thank goodness that all changed with ATYCLB. When I saw the video for "Beautiful Day" I breathed a sigh of relief!

Ugh...Don't even get me STARTED on NSYNC. *gag gag gag gag gag gag gag*

I've seen this quote from Bono that he said in 2001 that reads, "We are men. They are boys. Move over. Thank you very much!" and I always took it that he was talking about Boy bands. I just wish I know where he said it and all that.

I LOVE that quote about N'SUCK! I saw the video clip of that and it was cool! Yeah I do think the ST video is real dorky and the hat kind of added to the geek/old fart image IMO. But I'm with you when I saw the BD video it was a BIG sigh of relief he had given up the dork look! I got an even bigger thrill when I saw SNL and the tour. Bono is not ready to give up and become an old geezer yet. He's cool!



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I LOVE that quote about N'SUCK! I saw the video clip of that and it was cool! Yeah I do think the ST video is real dorky and the hat kind of added to the geek/old fart image IMO. But I'm with you when I saw the BD video it was a BIG sigh of relief he had given up the dork look! I got an even bigger thrill when I saw SNL and the tour. Bono is not ready to give up and become an old geezer yet. He's cool!

Ah, so the quote WAS in reference to NSYNC then? Rock on!



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Ah, so the quote WAS in reference to NSYNC then? Rock on!

Oh yes! And BSB and all those boy "bands" (who are not really bands but singers and dancers and actors!)



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Oh yes! And BSB and all those boy "bands" (who are not really bands but singers and dancers and actors!)

Last summer, one of the girls I worked with would always bring in those teenybopper magazines to look at, and I read this one NSYNC article in there about how they worked really hard on their last album "finding the best songwriters." Is that the saddest thing you've ever heard?



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Last summer, one of the girls I worked with would always bring in those teenybopper magazines to look at, and I read this one NSYNC article in there about how they worked really hard on their last album "finding the best songwriters." Is that the saddest thing you've ever heard?

It would be, but maybe it's sadder that a girl old enough to hold a job is interested in them LOL! I can't wait until those groups fade away like all the rest. They suck!



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It would be, but maybe it's sadder that a girl old enough to hold a job is interested in them LOL! I can't wait until those groups fade away like all the rest. They suck!

Well, she was like 14. That seems to be the right age for that crap.

Dude, I've seen girls walking around campus here, in COLLEGE, with NSYNC backpacks! eek! THAT is scary!



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