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Old 03-18-2002, 07:40 PM   #1
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Courtney Doesn't Love U2

From Newsday:

A Whole Lotta Love Visits Austin
By Glenn Gamboa

Austin, Texas - The always-controversial Courtney Love was the belle of the ball
at the South by Southwest Music Conference Saturday, and she did not disappoint.

For nearly 90 minutes, Love told the standing- room-only crowd about everything
from her groundbreaking lawsuit against the Universal Music Group, which touched
off the red-hot battle between artists and record companies over long-term contracts,
to her plans to bully stars like U2 and R.E.M. into forming a musicians' union. Love
said the mergers of the music companies in the past five years led to the widespread
elimination of creative, artist-friendly executives in favor of cost-cutting businessmen,
leading to poor results artistically and financially. "It is failing," Love said of the music
industry. "Within three years, it will have failed."

In her freewheeling style, Love unveiled a string of startling claims, ranging from a
music executive telling her, "If you were on my label, I would still have you on
Quaaludes" to her insider view of U2's recent success, which she claims almost didn't
happen because the promotion budget of the band's Grammy-winning album was
higher than the record company wanted to pay.

After U2's Grammy win, Love said she stood on top of a stove at a celebration,
screaming about the need for a musicians' union. "Now it's time to step up," she told
the post-Grammy party. "I will not be martyred."

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I don't know what to make of this. On one hand, I realize that Love is an outspoken fluzie who should be taken with a grain of salt. On the other hand, she actually makes some sense here. It appears that she is mad and jealous of U2's path toward their recent success(big budget, big money, promotions).
Her point about the big corporations swallowing up the smaller ones(which happened to Island in '99) is not necessarily a good thing and it makes music execs. think in terms of $ rather than talent. That is not good. U2 has come under criticism for this recently and, to an extent, I agree with some of the criticism.

Curious to see what you guys think here at Interference.....
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My initial reaction is.....silly cow!
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I don't think she has any credibility in the music business given her past behavior. I think she's tolerated by the industry but not very well liked and certainly not taken seriously. It's laughable that she thinks she can bully U2 into anything.
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I don't think she has any credibility in the music business given her past behavior. I think she's tolerated by the industry but not very well liked and certainly not taken seriously. It's laughable that she thinks she can bully U2 into anything.
but none of that discredits the actual points she is making. about which i'm not certain i agree or not but you must realize she may be making valid points.
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but none of that discredits the actual points she is making. about which i'm not certain i agree or not but you must realize she may be making valid points.
I do agree with you that her points are valid but I don't know if she will be taken seriously. When you have someone like Don Henley or Cheryl Crow (just as an example) speaking out for artists rights, they are given more merit than someone like Courtney Love. I'm not saying that's right but her reputation is going to follow her and it will be hard to make some people listen, just because of who she is.
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STP wrote a rude song about her. She sucks.
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I think what she is doing is nice and all. But she's still an ass. I think it sucks that she has no problem turning Kurt Cobains journals into a book, but she is fighting the former members of Nirvana from wanting to release unreleased Nirvana songs.

She's such a spaz anyway her success only came from the help of others. She's never done anything on her own.

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I have never taken Courtney Love seriously of anything she has done or said, and never will.
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Hmmm.... your thread title is misleading.

She does in fact love U2.

In fact, this article clearly points out that U2 was on the edge of being dissed by their label, but were able to make it all happen.

I like what she is doing. It's going to be impossible though.

Also, Bono's a bread head. Bono and the boys own a chunk of UV and are into the business. Maybe Bono should campaign for the debt relief of bands from their labels.

The typical band, after releasing their first record is in debt to their label to the tune of about 250k - almost all of that has to be made up by touring endlessly. This is why so many burn out after a couple of years. But the label owns the music, and will make money off of it for years.

The band is still making payments while working at Jiffy Lube.

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Old 03-18-2002, 10:58 PM   #11
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MI makes a good point. Courtney Love is an interesting musician, if nothing else; if you want raw, pick up Hole's Pretty on the Inside, skip to "Good Sister Bad Sister," turn it up and let your eardrums bleed. Give her some credit. Her work could be useful.

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It is unfair to call Bono a "bread head" simply because he wanted to see an album his group created succeed.

Despite what anyone may claim here, I did not see "Pop" promoted anywhere NEAR the extent I saw for AB and ATYCLB. When AB was released, I saw signs, posters, ads: publicity. Contrast this to "Pop." The music stores around me at the time had virtually no promotion - until the actual release date. Then, there was no promotion afterward.

With ATYCLB, U2 not only made sure the label gave them promotion $$, but U2 did their work as well. They appeared on TV then and they continue to appear on TV now.

Granted, the experimental nature of "Pop" may have never made it a top seller - but it should have at least cleared the Double Platinum mark in the U.S. The fact that it didn't shows how poorly it was promoted.

If I work hard on something, you bet I want it to succeed. As a scientist, I can relate to Bono's plight, despite the differences in our careers. I have to go out in the public, give talks, give presentations and have the company back me up, with press releases and advertising. I'm at a bigger corporation now with many levels of management. Therefore, I won't have my name in "lights" (via press releases), but once I get results and data, I will probably be giving talks and posters at conferences. And the company needs to support that to make people aware of the work we are doing. If they don't, then there's no chance a future product will ever succeed.

Love's comments don't sound antagonistic towards U2 at all. Rather, she sounds very reasonable. She saw how U2 fought to get their album promoted and when they did, the accolades and sales poured in. The album will soon go 4x Platinum in the U.S. The last time one of U2's albums sold that well in the U.S. was the last time U2 saw heavy promotion - with AB. Love hopes that U2 recognizes that if it is this challenging for an established artist to get promotion, then it is infinitely more challenging for a new artist.

And I agree - the music industry needs some BIG changes. A few weeks back, I created a thread discussing the idiocy of Michael Green's (sp?), head of the Grammys, comments on downloading music. Napster just didn't spring up yesterday - it was around for some time. Yet the music industry did nothing - other than to whine and cry about Napster. And while Napster was eventually "shut down" other file-sharing programs exist. The courts could shut those down too, but other programs will only pop up.

Instead of looking for ways to prevent sharing, the industry should have been looking for ways to capitalize on it. CD singles, in their purest form, cost about $2-3. So why couldn't labels sell the .mp3 of a song for a $1 or $2? They don't have to press the CD, there's no artwork - so the costs are minimal. Yet now, fans could have LEGALLY downloaded specific tracks from an album. The label (and the artist) makes $$ and the fan gets a song for a reasonable price. Everyone is happy. But this didn't happen.

People are tired of buying a CD for one good song. Yet cheap CD singles are becoming a thing of the past. So what's the alternative? Pay $18 for one song - or download it for free? Guess which one wins...

Besides that, bands like U2 are becoming a rarity. If U2 were coming out now, they never would have been around long enough to make "War" - let alone the 10x Platinum JT! Labels want instant #1's with instant success. This is a shame. This creates a series of artists who produce either one good song per album or an album loaded with poor candy pop songs.

The industry needs to change - and change fast. U2's success hopefully is the impetus to cause this change. U2 showed that some promotion of a GOOD album will generate results. They showed that it takes more than one good song to sell 4 million copies of an album. They proved that one doesn't have to produce bubblegum pop to have a top-selling album.

Love is right on here. I just hope someone is listening.
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how does that article say that Love doesn't like U2? did i miss something? (i didn't exactly read the article throughly) ...Love is entertaining to say the least, i don't love her or hate her so i don't really matter to me *shrug*

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I agree with Courtney on this one. I don't think she said anything to dis U2, she just wants them on her side.

And that business about the promotion for ATYCLB is spot on. Does anyone remember the press conference at K-Mart before POP when the band was asked about Island's refusal to shell out money for the album's promotion? It really wasn't a surprise then after POP 'failed' and u2 changed labels.

And 'Live Through This' is one of the greatest albums of the 90s.

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I agree with Courtney, I love Courtney, she is my Hollywood rock and roll wannabe actress media whore with a cause and I LOVE HER.

Furthermore, Hole released like my third or fourth favorite album of the 90s, Live Through This.

I respect Courtney because she says whatever the hell is on her mind without giving a fuck what anyone thinks. Yeah, she's an ex-drug addict but she knows it. She has a cause and is moving on with her life and is a good performer, so I think she deserves more credit than a helluva lot of people give her.
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Originally posted by Bono's American Wife:
I don't think she has any credibility in the music business given her past behavior. I think she's tolerated by the industry but not very well liked and certainly not taken seriously. It's laughable that she thinks she can bully U2 into anything.
Sad but true. I heard a funny story about her a few months ago- she was opening for a Jane's Addiction show, and when her act was over she refused to leave. Perry Ferrell unplugged her guitar. She got an acoustic one and kept playing. He picked her up, slung her over his shoulder and carried her offstage with her hanging over his back. LMAO!



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And that business about the promotion for ATYCLB is spot on. Does anyone remember the press conference at K-Mart before POP when the band was asked about Island's refusal to shell out money for the album's promotion? It really wasn't a surprise then after POP 'failed' and u2 changed labels.

This isn't accurate.

By '97, Island's U.S. branch had already been purchased. I believe at the time Sony owned the label, but the dang thing has changed SO often, I can't remember. Regardless, the label owner at that time did little to promote U2 - the feeling was that it was "U2," so the work would promote itself. Uh huh...

U2 is still on Island in Europe, but through a series of other purchases and whatnot, they wound up on the Interscope label in the U.S. At least Interscope was willing to promote for U2 - and it paid off. A 7x Grammy winning album that will probably sell well over 4 million copies before finally falling off the U.S. charts (and onto the Catalog charts).

Anyway, my point is that U2 didn't really change labels - they were just bought out by other larger labels.
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It is unfair to call Bono a "bread head" simply because he wanted to see an album his group created succeed
I'm not calling Bono a bread head from his drive us musical success alone. The band is well known, and respected, for their ability to manage money and business. Another reason for their longevity.

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Courtney is not dissing U2 here, she just wants them on her side, because she understands the power that Bono can weild. I read about this before how when ATYCLB first came out, Interscope was not big on promoting it, but after a little meeting with Bono and the boys, they changed their tune. Courtney saw this happen and wants their help. She's not alone in this fight, Don Henley, Sheryl Crow, Stevie Nicks and a slew of other artists are standing up and asking for the same things, Courtney is just the most obnoxiously vocal one, but you know what? She gets things done. I like her a lot, but sometimes I don't always agree with her, on this, I do.
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Hmmm.... your thread title is misleading.

She does in fact love U2.

In fact, this article clearly points out that U2 was on the edge of being dissed by their label, but were able to make it all happen.

I like what she is doing. It's going to be impossible though.

Also, Bono's a bread head. Bono and the boys own a chunk of UV and are into the business. Maybe Bono should campaign for the debt relief of bands from their labels.

The typical band, after releasing their first record is in debt to their label to the tune of about 250k - almost all of that has to be made up by touring endlessly. This is why so many burn out after a couple of years. But the label owns the music, and will make money off of it for years.

The band is still making payments while working at Jiffy Lube.

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Yes, my title is misleading, but so are some of Courtney's sentiments.

She feels the need for a musicians union which is a good idea, but she also comes across as hinting toward U2's money-making maching giving them an unfair advantage in the industry which can easily be perceived as a slight against U2.
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