Britney Spears' s latest video for "I'm a Slave 4 U"

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Originally posted by U2girl:
i forgot:

5) who says that the "Britney the star" has anything in common with "Britney the person"?
just because she uses her looks and dances like that in her videos doesn't mean she (as a person) isn't waiting with sex until she gets married.
judging people by their looks is wrong. period.
not to mention we don't know, so what gives us the right to talk?
(i think we all remember the Bono-going-too-far-with-women on this tour debate. same thing. dancing or rolling on the floor means nothing-it's just a show.)

6) as far as using-your-looks goes, what about Madonna? she went way further than anyone ever will. and i have never heard of people complaining about it.

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I see your point, but I think that when someone makes it part of their public persona to talk about abstinence and so on and then they put out videos which are mildly pornographic, there is a kind of contradiction happening. No, we don't know what she does in her private life, but I see a contradiction between what she says she believes about behaviour, morals, whatever, and the image she projects in her music and videos.

As for Madonna, I think lots of people have complained about her over the years...
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For those of you who arent big internet cartoon fans...

find and watch the 'Christina vs Brittney' cartoon at campchaos.com

since I dont know the stupid ubb code and crap like that, Ill give you the first url
http://www.campchaos.com/

feel free to explore it afterwards


might wanna check out while youre at it http://www.killfrog.com/ http://www.joecartoon.com/

(please dont comment about how tasteless this stuff is... its supposed to be funny, not all of it is, and a lot of its stupid, but sometimes its good to just laugh at something that has nothing to do with the world of reality)


Well, evidently they link themselves... but I have to go for dinner, so just check out the cartoon @ campchaos there... its pretty funny LOL
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Originally posted by scatteroflight:
I see your point, but I think that when someone makes it part of their public persona to talk about abstinence and so on and then they put out videos which are mildly pornographic, there is a kind of contradiction happening. No, we don't know what she does in her private life, but I see a contradiction between what she says she believes about behaviour, morals, whatever, and the image she projects in her music and videos.

yes, but i don't think that what she is projecting in her videos should apply to her beliefs in general. or be anywhere near her beliefs, for that matter.



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I think U2 should have been banned from TV when Bono started throwing his crotch in the camera about, whell, every 10 seconds or so during the POP-era

no wonder that kind of actions has led to the Sodom and Gomorra known to us as PLEBA

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Originally posted by U2girl:
i forgot:

5) who says that the "Britney the star" has anything in common with "Britney the person"?
just because she uses her looks and dances like that in her videos doesn't mean she (as a person) isn't waiting with sex until she gets married.
judging people by their looks is wrong. period.
not to mention we don't know, so what gives us the right to talk?
(i think we all remember the Bono-going-too-far-with-women on this tour debate. same thing. dancing or rolling on the floor means nothing-it's just a show.)

6) as far as using-your-looks goes, what about Madonna? she went way further than anyone ever will. and i have never heard of people complaining about it.
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Here's the message Britney gives:
"Hey, young girls, you can dress like a slut, dance like a slut, act like a slut, cuss like a sailor, grab your crotch on film, but it's all okay if you say you're a virgin."
And that's a pretty crappy way for her to think. I'm not saying she's NOT a virgin, but if she really wants to be a positive role model in that respect for teenaged girls, she needs to behave and dress more modestly. And yes, folks can call me a prude. But I'm tired of these little teases running around doing this crap.
 
Exactly. I'm 24 years old and know what I'm getting in to when I go to a bar with a short skirt and tight shirt on. Some 13-year-olds don't know how to French kiss and are watching Britney perform in soft porn music videos. If I wanted porn, I would subscribe to the Spice channel-- but I don't.

And don't think that young girls are smart enough to not be influenced by all this. When I was 13 and the New Kids started pushing Coca-Cola, that was the only soft drink I drank for several months. Young fans are influenced by this stuff.

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So basically what you are all saying is that Britney will forever have to be all frumped up into her 40s because of these wide-eyed teen fans?

Do me a favour. She has to break off from being a favourite of the youngsters at some point, so why not now? I mean, she is almost 20!! This is what 20-year-olds do!!

And remember... this is the girl who sang her first song dressed in a school uniform and a follow up hit in a red pvc catsuit! It's not like it is anything new for her!

Compare her to Christina Aguilera. Now, if Britney is acting like a slut, then Christina owns a harem!!
 
Originally posted by bullet the blue sky:
I mean, she is almost 20!! This is what 20-year-olds do!!


I'm almost 20 as well, but I don't do what she does.

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Originally posted by bullet the blue sky:
Yes, but a) you aren't a pop star and b) you don't have loads of money

unless...

is this another of your undercover jobs?
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So...since she's a rich pop star, that's okay?

You know...people might disagree with me, but I think that Britney is very pretty. She could look very classy and beautiful if she dressed a little more tastefully.

Just my two cents.

Don't bother flaming me because I don't feel like getting into a heated discussion over Britney.



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she wants to be madonna. but, for lack of a better word, she doesn't have the balls.

(when i say pimp, you say HO!!!!!!!!! :mad
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Originally posted by U2girl:
i forgot:

5) who says that the "Britney the star" has anything in common with "Britney the person"?
just because she uses her looks and dances like that in her videos doesn't mean she (as a person) isn't waiting with sex until she gets married.
judging people by their looks is wrong. period.
not to mention we don't know, so what gives us the right to talk?
(i think we all remember the Bono-going-too-far-with-women on this tour debate. same thing. dancing or rolling on the floor means nothing-it's just a show.)

6) as far as using-your-looks goes, what about Madonna? she went way further than anyone ever will. and i have never heard of people complaining about it.

[This message has been edited by U2girl (edited 10-02-2001).]

The difference with Madonna is that she didn't try and present herself as a role model and make statements like she's a virgin and waiting for marriage, while at the same time producing these songs and videos that seem highly contradictory to any kind of ethical/moral background that supports abstinence.

Madonna's videos didn't contradict her lifestyle or the lifestyle she was trying to sell. Madonna makes a video where she's basically naked and rolling around on a bed with a guy, but she doesn't say to the press that she believes in abstinence or waiting for the right guy. Britney says that she believes in abstinence and waiting for marriage, then makes videos where she's grinding hips and staring seductively at guys left and right.

On another note, I think I can speak for all of the guys when I say that Britney is very attractive. She's pretty. She's got a great body that she obviously works hard at maintaining. But, the way she uses her body to sell her music is about as unattractive as you can get.
 
Haven't seen the latest clip.

She is a role model for young girls whether she wants to be or not for all the reasons people have already said.
She wants people to love her, she wants to be popular and sell records. This is why she does dress the way she does and why she was singing about how shes lonely at night at the age of 16.

I find it really hard to turn a blind eye to why young girls are starving themselves and degrading themselves, and I won't believe that it has nothing to do with the way Britney, Christina and the like portray themselves.
It is not real, Britney and Christina are probably lovely people and do a lot of good things for their fans and people in their lives. But what they portray is a very false sense of reality and how young girls should be.
I myself tried to starve myself as a teenager to fit into the mould. I never dressed like that cause I would have been locked in the garage by my parents hehe
But I do know that the way people like Britney Spears portray themselves DOES affect the minds and attitudes of young girls.

Its about time society woke up and understood the damage it is doing.One person doesn't count? Yes they do.
That said, I actually think Christina has a lot more to answer for than Britney.
And its actually more sad for them because they are the ones degrading themselves.

Be true to yourselves girls. You are women, bright, funny, intelligent and beautiful and you don't need a skirt to nowhere and Drag Queen make up to prove it!


Nicky's in the corner
With a black coat on
Running from a bad home
With some cat inside

Now where did you find her
Among the neon lights
That haunt the streets outside
Stay with me

Beautiful girl (stay with me)
Beautiful girl (stay with me)
She wants to go home

From doorway to doorway
Street corner to corner
With the neon ghosts in the city
And she says
Stay with me
Stay with me
Stay with me
Stay with me

She's so scared
So very frightened
Anything could happen
Right here tonight

Beautiful girl (stay with me)
Beautiful girl (stay with me)
She wants to go home

Stay with me (beautiful girl)
Stay with me (beautiful girl)
Stay with me (beautiful girl)
Stay with me (beautiful girl)
 
Originally posted by bullet the blue sky:

Do me a favour. She has to break off from being a favourite of the youngsters at some point, so why not now? I mean, she is almost 20!! This is what 20-year-olds do!!

And become a favorite to whom? Even hornier young males? And do all 20 year old female artist dress and act that way? How about Alicia Keys? Just because you have loads of money and you sing pop songs doesn'T require that you show your tits and ass for all to see. I'm a 20 years old young woman and I don'T act that way..

I really don't understand your point of view bullet.
 
Originally posted by sharky:


and on a side note, she and her boyfriend Justin live in a house together now but she says she's still a virgin. My ass she is. What kind of message are you sending to girls that you can dress like a slut, live with your boyfriend and still be "pure"? Sorry, but that's not reality for girls, just millionaires like Britney-- and that's assuming she hasn't been lying to us about all that.


Precisely...I find it incredibly confusing, annoying and hypocritical when these girls dress and dance the way they do (I haven't seen Britney's new video though, not looking forward to it) and then go on about abstinence and waiting for marriage. Um?! Don't they see just the slightest little contradiction there?



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i forgot:

5) who says that the "Britney the star" has anything in common with "Britney the person"?
just because she uses her looks and dances like that in her videos doesn't mean she (as a person) isn't waiting with sex until she gets married.
judging people by their looks is wrong. period.
not to mention we don't know, so what gives us the right to talk?
(i think we all remember the Bono-going-too-far-with-women on this tour debate. same thing. dancing or rolling on the floor means nothing-it's just a show.)

6) as far as using-your-looks goes, what about Madonna? she went way further than anyone ever will. and i have never heard of people complaining about it.



[This message has been edited by U2girl (edited 10-02-2001).]
 
Originally posted by Diemen:
The difference with Madonna is that she didn't try and present herself as a role model and make statements like she's a virgin and waiting for marriage, while at the same time producing these songs and videos that seem highly contradictory to any kind of ethical/moral background that supports abstinence.

Madonna's videos didn't contradict her lifestyle or the lifestyle she was trying to sell. Madonna makes a video where she's basically naked and rolling around on a bed with a guy, but she doesn't say to the press that she believes in abstinence or waiting for the right guy. Britney says that she believes in abstinence and waiting for marriage, then makes videos where she's grinding hips and staring seductively at guys left and right.

On another note, I think I can speak for all of the guys when I say that Britney is very attractive. She's pretty. She's got a great body that she obviously works hard at maintaining. But, the way she uses her body to sell her music is about as unattractive as you can get.

well i don't know about Britney being a role model. i mean, being famous and rich at 19 has nothing to do with reality. i can't see anything role model-ish about it. in fact, music and/or movie stars are probably the people least apropriate for role models. it's a too fast and to glitzy world to be real.

and i don't see why she shouldn't do the things she does if she wants to. i wonder how many female fans would actually concentrate on her looks and try to imitate her. (how could they? Britney has stylists, special lights, make up, coreographer) aren't they into the music?
come to think of it, i wonder what the ratio is between her male and her female fans?

also, i think bullet may have a point: she is probably reaching out to a new audience. not so much looks but the music and attitude. turning from a girl into a woman and trying to figure herself out.
the video is just a projection. not necessarily the real Britney. she is probably more likely to be found in her interviews.

personally, i would never dress (or act) like that (because i am way too shy) but i admire the girls/women comfortable and confident enough to show their bodies (everyday girls on the streets of our town in summer or in clubs)
and i never compare myself to models/pop stars when it comes to looks.



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Originally posted by Naya:
And become a favorite to whom? Even hornier young males? And do all 20 year old female artist dress and act that way? How about Alicia Keys? Just because you have loads of money and you sing pop songs doesn'T require that you show your tits and ass for all to see. I'm a 20 years old young woman and I don'T act that way..

I really don't understand your point of view bullet.



I do believe I've never seen Britney's breasts or behind, but that's not the point.

My point was this. It is obvious that at some point she will want to lose her younger audience, and I think that point is now. Listen to the song... does that sound like bubblegum pop to you? No, of course not. The younger kids won't LIKE the song. They won't want to buy it... or rather, want their parents to buy it. At least not in such large numbers.

It's a tricky one. Whatever time she decided to grow up (though as I said, it's not like she was acting young to start off with!) she was going to get into trouble.

Plus, I'm pretty sure if there are eyebrows raised at whichever TV station about the video then they will either cut out the offending parts or just show the original later at night.

And as for those who said they were 20 and didn't dress like that, well of course, not all 20-year-olds do. But a lot do. At least where I am from. And whether or not they should be acting like that (and believe me, some are best putting it all away
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) that is the way some people that age act these days... whether you agree with it or not.

I think the argument here is whether or not Britney should be extolling the virtues of her virginity while cavorting in music vids with next to no clothes on. And I think if she hadn't made a big deal of it when she started (possibly pushed into it by her mother, who knows?) we wouldn't even be having this argument. She'd just be another naughty pop singer.
 
maybe I should check her fan-site more often,
but when was the last time Britney has said she was a virgin anyway?

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Salome-- there was a magazine in the US out about two months ago with a big huge picture of Britney and a big huge quote on the front that said "sometimes its hard to be a virgin" or something like that.

Bullet-- just because she is 20 years old now does not mean she's going after an older audience. If she was going after an older audience, she was change alot of things like come out and tell people she's living with her boyfriend.

And there are alot of bubble gum bands that are too old to be getting these audiences. I walked by a theater that Joe McIntyre was going to be performing at in NYC and there was a line of girls waiting to get in and they were all wearing tight pants and tube tops. They were for 14 and Joe is 28. Kevin from the Backstreet Boys is pushing 30. So you have 14-year-old girls that are wearing these clothes to attract 30-year-old men. That is DISGUSTING!

And its gotten to a point where parents can't control it. There was a story in the Wall Street Journal at the beginning of the school year about parents not being able to buy clothes for their daughters because the stuff being sold in mainstream stores was too inappropriate.

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Originally posted by sharky:
Bullet-- just because she is 20 years old now does not mean she's going after an older audience. If she was going after an older audience, she was change alot of things like come out and tell people she's living with her boyfriend.


I never said just cos she is 20 it means she's going after an older audience. I mean you only have to look at the video and hear the song... THAT is aimed at an older audience.

And I thought everyone knew she lived with dodgy perm bloke. I heard they were getting engaged!
 
Originally posted by sharky:


And its gotten to a point where parents can't control it. There was a story in the Wall Street Journal at the beginning of the school year about parents not being able to buy clothes for their daughters because the stuff being sold in mainstream stores was too inappropriate.

I have that problem with my kids.
It's hard to find cute little girls clothes for my 9 year old daughter, everything looks so grown up, glittery & bare.
Her shoes are another problem, you won't find dress shoes without heels!!!
If she wants to wear a dress or skirt to school she has wear tennis shoes with them.
Sorry about the rant, I'm done.
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"Soft porn masquerading as pop."
-- Roger Waters
Or is it "Soft Pop masquerading as porn?"
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