boxscore question for Sting

[MacFly2]

Too add to that request. Sting, would it be possible for you to list all of the Boxscore's data available on the first leg of Elevation tour?
Providing you saved all the info that AB released...
Thanks

[This message has been edited by MacFly2 (edited 07-23-2001).]

 

[STING]

Womenfish and Macfly2,
I'll post any info I have on N'SYNC although I'll only have info from the weeks that U2 results were posted. I have the total Gross for the midpoint of the year. N'SYNC is doing about 44 stadium shows this summer. Same number as POPMART in North America.
I have 42 of the 50 shows from the first leg of Elevation. 8 shows were never put up in the boxscore. These were, Pittsburgh, Columbus, San Diego, Vancouver, Minniappolis, Milwaukie, Lexington, and Indianappolis. I was able to get the total Gross for the first leg because it was printed in Billboard magazine.
The first European Boxscores might come out this week. I'll try to get this info up later tonight.

 

[STING]

Womenfish,
Here are the N'SYNC Boxscores I was able to come up with. They have played more shows than this, but this is all I could find. Not all their shows have been posted either.

Hershey PA : May 26, 28, 2001 : Hershey Park Stadium : GROSS $3,252,128 ATTENDANCE 61,996 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 0

BOSTON : May 31, June 1, 2001 : Foxboro Stadium : GROSS $4,744,486 ATTENDANCE 89,716 : SHOWS 2 SELLOUTS 0

East Rutherford NJ, : June 3, 4, 5, 2001 : GIANTS STADIUM : GROSS $7,364,012 ATTENDANCE 154,359 SHOWS 3 SELLOUTS 0

Cincinnati : June 8, 2001 : Cinergy Field : GROSS $1,947,461 ATTENDANCE 36,371 SHOWS 1 SELLOUTS 0

Orchard Park NY : June 10, 2001 : Ralph Wilson Stadium : GROSS $2,175,436 ATTENDANCE 43,406 SHOWS 1 SELLOUTS 0

Philadelphia : June 13, 2001 : Veterans Stadium : GROSS $2,534,204 ATTENDANCE 46,005 SHOWS 1 SELLOUTS 0

Chicago : June 16,17, 2001 : Soldier Field : GROSS $4,739,359 ATTENDANCE 85,650 SHOWS 2 SELLOUTS 0

Milwaukee : June 26, 2001 : Miller Park : GROSS $1,956,157 ATTENDANCE 34,148 SHOWS 1 SELLOUTS 0

N'SYNCs GROSS for the year up to July 1 was 38.7 million. I believe this includes about half the tour dates.

 

[U2One]

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isn't that just a beautiful thing???

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"You know, when we came through here on the Conspiracy of Hope tour, I could just feel something happening. People in offices, and factories, and schools, and artists, and everybody just kind of waking up or something. It was great. I remember, I think we did five dates, five or six dates. But I remember very much Chicago. One, because I think U2 played well that night, it was good. And the other because, you're so noisy. For the name of love!"

 

[STING]

I'll try to get all of U2s Elevation Boxscores up tomorrow!

 

[womanfish]

Sting - I need to get some info from you. Do you have the boxscore info from nsync the last couple months. I am interested in finding out some numbers. Could you post attendance and sellout figures? I would really appreciate it. Also any U2 boxscores from California, chicago, boston, etc...

Thanks in advance

 

[STING]

U2: ELEVATION TOUR: First Leg!

Sunrise Fla : March 24,26, 2001 : National Car Rental Center : GROSS: $3,032,028 ATTENDANCE: 37,969 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Charlotte : March 28, 2001 : Charlotte Coliseum : GROSS: $1,447,355 ATTENDANCE: 19,054 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Atlanta : March 30, 2001 : Philips Arena : GROSS: $1,500,277 ATTENDANCE: 20,596 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Houston : April 2, 2001 : Compaq Center : GROSS: $1,198,589 ATTENDANCE: 14,859 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Dallas : April 3, 2001 : Reunion Arena : GROSS: $1,450,655 ATTENDANCE: 18,166 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Denver : April 6, 2001 : Pepsi Center : GROSS: $1,509,290 ATTENDANCE: 18,462 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Calgary : April 9,10, 2001 : Pengrowth saddledome : GROSS: $1,824,131 ATTENDANCE: 35,778 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Tacoma : April 12, 2001 : Tacoma Dome : GROSS: $1,671,880 ATTENDANCE: 21,807 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Vancouver : April 13, 2001 : General Motors Place : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Portland : April 15, 2001 : Rose Garden : GROSS: $1,276,120 ATTENDANCE: 16,653 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

San Diego : April 17, 2001 : Sports Arena : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

San Jose : April 19,20, 2001 : Compaq Center at San Jose : GROSS: $2,878,940 ATTENDANCE: 35,550 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Anaheim : April 23-26, 2001 : Arrowhead Pond : GROSS: $4,152,640 ATTENDANCE: 49,377 SHOWS: 3 SELLOUTS: 3

Phoenix : April 28, 2001 : America West Arena : GROSS: $1,424,390 ATTENDANCE: 17,575 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Minneapolis : May 1, 2001 : Target Center : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Cleveland : May 3, 2001 : Gund Arena : GROSS: $1,492,460 ATTENDANCE: 18,763 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Lexington : May 4, 2001 : Rupp Arena : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Pittsburgh : May 6, 2001 : Mellon Arena : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Columbus : May 7, 2001 : Nationwide Arena : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Milwaukee : May 9, 2001 : Bradley Center : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Indianapolis : May 10, 2001 : Conseco Fieldhouse : GROSS: ? ATTENDANCE: ? SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Chicago : May 12-16, 2001 : United Center : GROSS: $6,393,525 ATTENDANCE: 78,275 SHOWS: 4 SELLOUTS: 4

Toronto : May 24, 25, 2001 : Air Canada Centre : GROSS: $2,096,034 ATTENDANCE: 39,048 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Montreal : May 27-28, 2001 : Molson Centre : GROSS: $2,090,423 ATTENDANCE: 42,198 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Auburn Hills : May 30, 2001 : Palace of Auburn Hills : GROSS: $1,638,325 ATTENDANCE: 21,173 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Buffalo : May 31, 2001 : HSBC Arena : GROSS: $1,422,510 ATTENDANCE: 18,434 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Albany : June 2, 2001 : Pepsi Arena : GROSS: $1,215,470 ATTENDANCE: 15,515 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Hartford : June 3, 2001 : Hartford Civic Center : GROSS: $1,244,825 ATTENDANCE: 15,717 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Boston : June 5-9, 2001 : FleetCenter : GROSS: $5,620,260 ATTENDANCE: 68,139 SHOWS: 4 SELLOUTS: 4

Philadelphia : June 11-12, 2001 : First Union Center : GROSS: $3,076,345 ATTENDANCE: 38,536 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

Washington DC : June 14-15, 2001 : MCI Center : GROSS: $3,172,418 ATTENDANCE: 37,971 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

New York : June 17-19, 2001 : Madison Square Garden : GROSS: $3,141,260 ATTENDANCE: 36,632 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

East Rutherford : June 21-22, 2001 : Continental Airlines Arena : GROSS: $3,205,680 ATTENDANCE: 39,282 SHOWS: 2 SELLOUTS: 2

 

[STING]

The total GROSS for the First leg of the Elevation tour is $69,910,000 as was printed in Billboard magazine.

 

[U2One]

On the other hand for U2 we see...

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hmmmm...who's biggest band in the world now???

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"You know, when we came through here on the Conspiracy of Hope tour, I could just feel something happening. People in offices, and factories, and schools, and artists, and everybody just kind of waking up or something. It was great. I remember, I think we did five dates, five or six dates. But I remember very much Chicago. One, because I think U2 played well that night, it was good. And the other because, you're so noisy. For the name of love!"

 

[womanfish]

In case anyone was wondering, that is the reason I was asking. Some people argued in the Nsync thread that even though nsync isn't selling out stadiums they are still drawing more people. This is true for the most part, but you have to consider with the U2 shows selling out, it shows that they could have played to many more people.

My main problem is that nsync's tour is actually getting good reviews and POPMART got blasted because it didn't sell out all of it's shows. At least it sold out a lot of them! Nsync is selling out NONE!

 

[STING]

Womenfish,
Here are some new N'SYNC Boxscores.

St. Louis : TransWorld Dome : July 2, 2001 : GROSS: $1,708,437 ATTENDANCE: 31,790 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 0

Little Rock : War Memorial Stadium : July 4, 2001 : GROSS: $1,517,261 ATTENDANCE: 31,062 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 0

Houston : Reliant Astrodome : July 6, 2001 : GROSS: $2,328,582 ATTENDANCE: 44,116 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 0

Irving TX : Texas Stadium : July 8, 2001 : GROSS: $2,374,325 ATTENDANCE: 44,564 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 1

Kansas City : Arrowhead Stadium : July 10, 2001 : GROSS: $2,107,135 ATTENDANCE: 40,863 SHOWS: 1 SELLOUTS: 0

As you can see, N'SYNC get one of their only sellouts at Texas Stadium. The other shows are in weaker markets, but N'SYNC actually does well in them, much better than expected.

 

[SkeeK]

Originally posted by womanfish:
My main problem is that nsync's tour is actually getting good reviews and POPMART got blasted because it didn't sell out all of it's shows. At least it sold out a lot of them! Nsync is selling out NONE!

I know!! that is just ludicrus and totally annoying. BASTARDS!!

 

[anitram]

I think womanfish may have been the one who noted that NSync's crowd is 25% chaperones.

Remove those, and the stadiums would be 70% full at the most.

 

[STING]

Maybe 50%, because many of the figures indicate that they only hit 70% with the parents included.

 

[Matthew_Page2000]

Those stats are music to my heart. It's great to see that U2 are doing so well. Womanfish, I think you might be referring to my post in regards to N'Sync drawing more fans than U2. I didn't mean it as criticism towards U2, it's just a fact. Just in glancing at both bands boxscores I see that N'Sync are drawing about 40,000 people a night and U2 are bringing in a less than 20,000. That means more than twice as many people are going to see an N'Sync show as are attending a U2 show. Now obviously U2 are playing to capacity crowds and could have sold even more tickets to every show they have played. But 20,000 more?
I also don't think that it's a big deal that N'Sync haven't sold out all their shows. Frankly, there isn't a band on earth right now that could sell out stadiums across America. The rolling stones just cancelled a planned tour for this summer and fall because of fears they be playing to half empty stadiums. Even Madonna decided to stay away from stadiums and she's a huge draw who hasn't toured in 8 years. The Springsteen tour last year was huge but he avoided stadiums like the plague.
I think that it's both amazing and depressing that an awful band like N'Sync can draw 40,000 people a night in almost every market they performed in. Could U2 do that in 2001? Maybe, maybe not. I would hope so.

MP

 

[Matthew_Page2000]

One other thing; If you divide the gross from each show by the attendance you'll find that N'Syncs' average ticket price was $50 and u2's average ticket cost about $80. Is it any wonder that concert grosses and attendance are down this year or that U2 aren't playing stadiums? Even if you take inflation into account there is no way in hell I could afford to go to a show for that kind of money when I was 15. If U2 or N'Sync were to go on a stadium tour with ticket prices ranging between $25 and $45 dollars they would sell out almost every stadium they played and still make a fortune. I read in a recent Billboard article that the band takes home 75% percent of the gross of a show. In the case of big bands like U2 it can be an even higher percentage. If U2 played stadiums with an average seating capacity of 50,000 and an average ticket price of $40 dollars they would bring home $1,500,000 a show. That's just their 75%. If the band played 100 shows like they did on popmart they would pocket $150,000,000 for the entire tour. Now lets assume the boys had a ridiculously elaborate stage show and touring ensemble that cost $50,000,000. They would still take home $25,000,000 each at the end of the year while charging half as much for ticket prices as they are on the Elevation 2001 tour. TWENTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOR EACH OF THEM!! I'm willing to bet that even with their elaborate lifestyles they could keep the kids in lunch money and the wives in new shoes for that kind of dough. In addition to that U2 have sold about 8.5 million copies of ATYCLB worldwide in the past year. I've heard that U2 also sell about 2 million copies of their catalogue albums each year. Throw in a million singles sold and millions of t-shirts, buttons, tour programs, and millions of dollars more for the use of U2 songs in tv shows and movie adverts and you start getting the picture. U2 are incredibly wealthy. Reports last month indicated that the band is currently worth more than 1 billion U.S. dollars. So I ask you; was it really necessary for the band to charge $85 and $135 for many of their tickets? Wouldn't they have made a killing anyway?

Just a thought.

MP

 

[anitram]

Originally posted by Matthew_Page2000:
If U2 or N'Sync were to go on a stadium tour with ticket prices ranging between $25 and $45 dollars they would sell out almost every stadium they played and still make a fortune.

I really think that as much as people complain about high ticket prices, the $$ is not a deterrent to anybody seeing the show. First off, if you think about U2, I think a very small percentage of people attending the show are under 16. Secondly, floor tickets were $45. Thirdly, U2 as a band does not tour as often as NSync or BSB. Those 2 are on tour every year. So, every U2 fan has plenty of time to save up and see a show. People who really want to see a show will go and see it. People who don't like the band that much may not. But the thing is that I don't think ticket prices make such a world of difference, in the sense that you have droves of people refusing to go or cannot go because the shows are too expensive. I work with a guy who basically only knows the U2 hits, and has yet to recognize any song off Pop, or ATYCLB (other than BD and Elevation). And when I had GAs, he was willing to pay $100 for a $45 ticket because in his words: "It's U2, so it'd be a crime not to see them." I didn't have any extra tickets for him, but it just goes to show that people who aren't even diehards will pay good $$ to see a legendary "event."

 

[STING]

Matthew_Page 2000,
U2 could actually easily sell out another 20,000 seats in many of these arena's! Probably in record time in places like New York and Boston. It is clear from N'SYNCs stats so far, that they have failed to match U2s POPMART stats for cities like Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. The demand to see U2 live in concert is greater in 2001 than it was in 1997 due to the popularity of ATYCLB. While the N'SYNC tour has done well, it might not be able to beat POPMART in terms of GROSS and attendance.
The reason U2 is in arena's this year is because there was no way to determine how well the band would do when these plans were being put drawn up over a year ago. At the time, before the release of ATYCLB, demand for U2 had obviously decreased from the days of POPMART. Thats only natural when being away for so long. But ATYCLB has shot their popularity back up! While not as big as Achtung or Joshua, the band is selling much better and demand is definitely up from where it was four years ago.
The management booked the arena tour because they thought U2 could sell out every show and they have. Although they may have sensed U2 could do very well in Stadiums, they wanted to play it safe to insure positive Media coverage. The band will stay in Arena's for the 3rd leg because the first leg kind of undercuts the ability to sell out a large stadium leg tour. The band and the management have made the right decision and will probably end of having the 4ths highest grossing North American tour in history at the end of this year.
Another thing to remember is that these arena's that sellout in one hour in New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, Washington DC, LA, San Fran, and other places shows that demand could support a stadium tour even at these high prices. If there was a Stadium tour though, prices would be brought down by an average of 20 dollars. Its simple economics. The supply of seats in a stadium is two to three times that of an arena. The greater supply makes the price of the average ticket drop. Imagine the price for U2 tickets if they did a theater tour! The band charge what their market value is and no more! The market value of a U2 ticket in an Arena is more than that for a stadium for one reason, supply of tickets. So the band is doing what they have always done and what every other artist does, charge their market value. The market value is determined by the popularity to see the artist live, plus the size of the venue where the event will take place, the less number of seats driving up the price.
So U2 has done amazing on the tour this year. While N'SYNC has done well, they are not as popular a live act as U2 based on the latest data. Also, its interesting to note that between 80% and 90% of the people who bought N'SYNC's last album are not attempting to see them live on this tour.
I saw the article about the Rolling Stones and that is just crazy and not true. The Rolling Stones could easily do good business with a 40th anniversery tour. Bridges to Babylon did massive business and was the highest grossing Stadium tour in history. That was only about 4 years ago. The average Rolling Stone fan is in their 40s and are babyboomers, not todays teens! There were few fans on the last tour that were under 30. So this whole thing about teens taste having changed and there by effecting the chances of a tour are crazy. The Rolling Stones sellout stadiums with people in their 40s while U2 sells out stadiums with people in their late 20s and early 30s, neither of them depend on teens to fill seats. Trust me, I have the figures for the Rolling Stones last tour and based on that they can do another one at the drop of a hat.
Your stadium bands are U2, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, and N'SYNC(at the moment and only in the USA). Also the Dave Matthews Band but like N'SYNC, only in the USA.

 

[allbecauseofu2]

yes i agree.

 

[Popmartijn]

Why is this thread resurrected after 3 1/2 years?

 

[biff]

And why does it tell me that Sting is on my Ignore LIst? I don't have anyone on my Ignore List.

 

[doctorwho]

And why does it tell me that Sting is on my Ignore LIst? I don't have anyone on my Ignore List.

I'm not sure why this very old thread re-emerged. But "Sting" no longer exists. Due to some computer glitches, he's now Sting2. Hence why he might appear to be on your ignore list. Just another computer glitch.

 

[Reggie Thee Dog]

I miss the old Sting....

 

[mikal]

I miss the old Sting....

me too. when he came back looking like the crow, and then joining the nWo, i just didn't buy it.

 

[neutral]

yes i agree.

Not sure what you're agreeing with but please don't bump 4 year old threads.