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Old 01-03-2002, 05:28 AM   #1
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BOSTON DVD- BULLET RANT QUESTION

I was kind of blown away by rant during BTBS.

What is he refering to during:

"Pull the trigger,
rock & roll ni__er
bigger than Jesus
on a bumper sticker"

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Thats Mark Chapman talking to John Lennon.
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i thought the bit with the little girl picking the gun out of a paper bag was absolutely hilarious, straight out of the old 911 rescue show with Shatner.
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as for the whole DVD show, i have some pretty mixed feelings about it. in a lot of ways it's great, but in a lot of other ways, it's a disjoined mess, i can't help but be cynical of some of the stuff on the DVD. oh well as much as i love U2, they do, after all, need to market themselves to maximise make money.

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the rant blew me away when I watched it. I don't know I just didn't see it coming I guess. Bono got really worked up there. I simply love the DVD as a whole.
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Quote:
Originally posted by heinz:
I was kind of blown away by rant during BTBS.

What is he refering to during:

"Pull the trigger,
rock & roll ni__er
bigger than Jesus
on a bumper sticker"

thanks
Yes, that whole rant is one of my favorite things of the concert. It is scary to hear how many people die on the streets...

I wondered that same thing, perhaps he's referring to police violence upon black Americans?



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bullet the blue sky is incredible on the DVD. i like the part when bono is walking past the screens but not looking at them. "he's closing his eyes to the problem." deep.

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Quote:
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i thought the bit with the little girl picking the gun out of a paper bag was absolutely hilarious, straight out of the old 911 rescue show with Shatner.
hilarious? or do you mean ironic? i'm not sure I understand...

I do have to say that the DVD Bullet is not the one from Boston2. Boston2 bullet was terrifying and incredible- Bono left the planet during that song that show. I'm curious why they did not put that on the DVD. I'm guessing the one we see is from Boston1, or Boston4- I have yet to listen to the boots to compare, although I should have.

Also, "Rock and Roll Nigger" is a song by Patti Smith:

Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a whore
Baby got big
And baby get bigger
Baby get something
Baby get more
Baby, baby, baby
Was a rock-and-roll nigger
Oh, look around you,
All around you,
Riding on a copper wave
Do you like
The world around you?
Are you ready to behave?

Outside of society,
they're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
that's where I want to be

Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a whore
You know she got big
Well, she's gonna get bigger
Baby got a hand;
Got a finger on the trigger
Baby, baby, baby
Is a rock-and-roll nigger

Outside of society,
they're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
that's where I want to be

Those who have suffered,
Understand suffering,
And thereby extend their hand
The storm that brings harm
Also makes fertile
Blessed is the grass
And herb
And the true thorn
And light

I was lost
In a valley of pleasure
I was lost
In the infinite sea
I was lost,
And measure for measure,
Love spewed
From the heart of me
I was lost, and the cost,
And the cost
Didn't matter to me
I was lost, and the cost
Was to be outside society

Jimi Hendrix was a nigger
Jesus Christ and Grandma, too
Jackson Pollock was a nigger
Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,
Nigger, nigger, nigger

Outside of society,
They're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
If you're looking,
That's where you'll find me



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For me one of the nicest surprises of the DVD is exactly Bullet and Bono´s rant, simply perfect, so emotional. I love this song because of its meaning, the powerful lyrics and also Edge´s awesome guitar. It has always been a highlight played live, especially in the Popmart concerts. The DVD Bullet is amazing yet different from the theatrical performances of Popmart.

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If you think THAT was a rant, listen to him on the Boston 4 bootleg. He completely GOES OFF! omg! He is nearly screaming at the end, especially when he hits that statistic about the number of Americans that will die in the next 20 years. It makes the dvd version look almost tame.

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Originally posted by sulawesigirl4:
If you think THAT was a rant, listen to him on the Boston 4 bootleg. He completely GOES OFF! omg! He is nearly screaming at the end, especially when he hits that statistic about the number of Americans that will die in the next 20 years. It makes the dvd version look almost tame.

-sula

EXACTLY, sula! wowow! boston 2 i was SOO scared of Bono! I never felt that before! He- wasn't himself. I know Boston 4 was a better show than 2, so I can only imagine! Seems like they "tamed it down a notch" for the dvd. I wonder if it was b/c I had never heard it before or expected it- I actually didn't *want* to hear Bullet- but when they started!!!!!! I was trembling!

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I got the VHS version of the Boston Show...and I love the show(s). I say "shows"
because I think it's actually a mixture of the 6/5 and 6/6 shows. There wasn't any filming the 3rd and 4th nights. The "one" disappointment (and only "one" for me, is that "ONE" isn't on it. During the 3rd night's show...Bono did some serious ranting during "ONE", a speech that was well put, well said, and well missed from the tape. I would imagine he gave the same speech during all four shows. It was in regards to the Aids epidemic in Africa. Anyways, the ranting was welcomed by me as I always love to hear what Bono has to say...and he's refrained from saying much since the Joshua Tree Tour. I'm hoping he keeps it up, despite what, if anything, the critics decide to do with it. I think Bono has to worry about the "image" thing anymore. Therefore, he doesn't need to worry about the critics either.
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Geez that version of Bullet is STUNNING. I sat there with my mouth hangin open. It was great and I got goosebumps! The whole Mark Chapman thing scared me, too. Hm.

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I got the VHS version too, because it doesn't look like we're getting a DVD player any time soon, and I loooooved the show (or shows depending on your view). Personally I'm glad that they cut out whatever speech Bono gave that night. It's not that I think that the stuff Bono goes on about isn't worth saying, and if I was actually at the concert I would be the first one to cheer my approval. I just suspect that if it was included on the video I would always skip it.

Anyway, one thing that impressed me a lot is how much better Bono sounds compared to the POPMart in Mexico. It's not that his voice got much stronger (if it did, then only by a fraction), in fact, sometimes it sounds even more low and husky. But I'm just amazed by how incredibly well he has adapted to his new limitations and how well he uses his muchly-aged voice to the maximum effect (something that I think he hasn't figured out yet during the POPMart years). Bono's voice admittedly knew stronger times, but his singing has never been better IMO.
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I really dont get the use of the word nigger in the rant thing. I'd rather Bono had not used that rant. I just happend to be playing the DVD while a black friend was here but she didnt say anything but I felt her tense for a second. I was totally unaware (hadnt watched the whole thing yet and Bullet is not one of my fave U2 songs) that bizarre version of Bullet was on the DVD and it was just in the background anyway but ROCK AND ROLL NIGGER just blared out of the speakers and it was weird. Who exactly is Bono quoting? Mark David Chapman (um, sorry but when did he say that?) or Patti Smith? And its relevance? To Bullet the Blue Sky? Just wanting an explanation on that. I really dont "get it" but I know you people must have a way to make it clear.
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I completely agree with sulawesigirl4 that the Boston 4 rant was more chilling and emotional than what we see on the DVD. I was at the Boston 4 show, practically in front of Bono as he did his rant and it was beyond words. oliveu2cm says the rant is not from Boston 2, I'm not sure what show it's from, but I do know that parts of the DVD are from night 4, the Bonocam during Until the End of the World is because I saw me!! Not the hidden easter egg, but in the regular concert footage.
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and did you notice the John Lennon glasses, bathed in blood, at the end?

I heard he did that rant before in Europe somewhere. I'm really glad it got on the DVD, it is so emotional. He hasto say that with a lot of force, because he is up against a hideous and pervasive group here in America that is very intimidating.

And man, we lost John Lennon because of guns, and a girl named Rachel who was shot at her school in Columbine...

Do you all remember when the Bullet video first started running and the gun groups took over all the U2 discussion boards? Absolute bullies. I talked with some of them for a time, until they resorted to pornography. Later I read a person with an anti-gun website recommended, after many years of debating, not to engage in discussion with these people. Too late, many U2 fans were needlessly offended and kicked off of websites.

ok, I can't find the verse, but I believe Bono covers his eyes because the Bible says to not look upon evil.

and the deaths from guns, many accidental, take that number and compare to the WTC disaster, and yet we have a hard time changing our policies toward guns.

...like that Patti Smith lyric, thanks for pulling that up oliveU2cm!.
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I'm too lazy to print this out and compare it to the DVD, but is this the whole rant in question?

This man comes up to me, see
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colours of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down, right there in the Wal-Mart
Slapping them right down
One hundred
Two hundred
Three hundred
That's all, that's all
And I can feel the cold steel
I can feel the cold steel
And I can make a wound
That won't heal
I can make a wound
That won't heal
Thirty-eight millimeters
Like the police
I'm at the door with John & Yoko
Living love and peace
And love and peace
And love and peace
Feel like an old shoe
A re-release
Soon to be deceased
Pull the trigger
The rock 'n' roll nigger
Is bigger than Jesus
On a bumper sticker
Pull the trigger, the rock 'n' roll nigger
Bigger than Jesus on a bumper sticker
Pulse is racing, my eyes are chasing
For an autograph, I've been waiting
There's no escaping, history's taking
Hey, John, war is over, we don't need your help
America's making war on itself
War is over, we don't need your help
America's making war on istelf
676,000 will go down
In the streets of America
With a bullet
In the next twenty years
Twenty years
These bitter tears
In a business of bitter tears, John
All body bags, then Vietnam
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman

...and I run, into the arms of America

This *is* very chilling. It's like a whole other song embedded in Bullet.

Found this on http://www.theelsewhere.com/ , a pretty cool site, on the face of it.

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I am with U2LA. I don't really get it.

Is that the best explanation we have?

He is speaking like he is Mark C.?
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that you don't get it says much about the american psyche.
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