BOSTON DVD- BULLET RANT QUESTION

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I was kind of blown away by rant during BTBS.

What is he refering to during:

"Pull the trigger,
rock & roll ni__er
bigger than Jesus
on a bumper sticker"

thanks
 
as for the whole DVD show, i have some pretty mixed feelings about it. in a lot of ways it's great, but in a lot of other ways, it's a disjoined mess, i can't help but be cynical of some of the stuff on the DVD. oh well as much as i love U2, they do, after all, need to market themselves to maximise make money.

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Originally posted by heinz:
I was kind of blown away by rant during BTBS.

What is he refering to during:

"Pull the trigger,
rock & roll ni__er
bigger than Jesus
on a bumper sticker"

thanks

Yes, that whole rant is one of my favorite things of the concert. It is scary to hear how many people die on the streets...

I wondered that same thing, perhaps he's referring to police violence upon black Americans?



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bullet the blue sky is incredible on the DVD. i like the part when bono is walking past the screens but not looking at them. "he's closing his eyes to the problem." deep.

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Originally posted by CannibalisticArtist:
i thought the bit with the little girl picking the gun out of a paper bag was absolutely hilarious, straight out of the old 911 rescue show with Shatner.

hilarious? or do you mean ironic? i'm not sure I understand...

I do have to say that the DVD Bullet is not the one from Boston2. Boston2 bullet was terrifying and incredible- Bono left the planet during that song that show. I'm curious why they did not put that on the DVD. I'm guessing the one we see is from Boston1, or Boston4- I have yet to listen to the boots to compare, although I should have.

Also, "Rock and Roll ******" is a song by Patti Smith:

Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a whore
Baby got big
And baby get bigger
Baby get something
Baby get more
Baby, baby, baby
Was a rock-and-roll ******
Oh, look around you,
All around you,
Riding on a copper wave
Do you like
The world around you?
Are you ready to behave?

Outside of society,
they're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
that's where I want to be

Baby was a black sheep
Baby was a whore
You know she got big
Well, she's gonna get bigger
Baby got a hand;
Got a finger on the trigger
Baby, baby, baby
Is a rock-and-roll ******

Outside of society,
they're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
that's where I want to be

Those who have suffered,
Understand suffering,
And thereby extend their hand
The storm that brings harm
Also makes fertile
Blessed is the grass
And herb
And the true thorn
And light

I was lost
In a valley of pleasure
I was lost
In the infinite sea
I was lost,
And measure for measure,
Love spewed
From the heart of me
I was lost, and the cost,
And the cost
Didn't matter to me
I was lost, and the cost
Was to be outside society

Jimi Hendrix was a ******
Jesus Christ and Grandma, too
Jackson Pollock was a ******
******, ******, ******, ******,
******, ******, ******

Outside of society,
They're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
If you're looking,
That's where you'll find me



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For me one of the nicest surprises of the DVD is exactly Bullet and Bono?s rant, simply perfect, so emotional. I love this song because of its meaning, the powerful lyrics and also Edge?s awesome guitar. It has always been a highlight played live, especially in the Popmart concerts. The DVD Bullet is amazing yet different from the theatrical performances of Popmart.

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If you think THAT was a rant, listen to him on the Boston 4 bootleg. He completely GOES OFF! omg! He is nearly screaming at the end, especially when he hits that statistic about the number of Americans that will die in the next 20 years. It makes the dvd version look almost tame.
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-sula
 
Originally posted by sulawesigirl4:
If you think THAT was a rant, listen to him on the Boston 4 bootleg. He completely GOES OFF! omg! He is nearly screaming at the end, especially when he hits that statistic about the number of Americans that will die in the next 20 years. It makes the dvd version look almost tame.
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-sula


EXACTLY, sula! wowow! boston 2 i was SOO scared of Bono! I never felt that before! He- wasn't himself.
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I know Boston 4 was a better show than 2, so I can only imagine! Seems like they "tamed it down a notch" for the dvd. I wonder if it was b/c I had never heard it before or expected it- I actually didn't *want* to hear Bullet- but
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when they started!!!!!! I was trembling!

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I got the VHS version of the Boston Show...and I love the show(s). I say "shows"
because I think it's actually a mixture of the 6/5 and 6/6 shows. There wasn't any filming the 3rd and 4th nights. The "one" disappointment (and only "one" for me, is that "ONE" isn't on it. During the 3rd night's show...Bono did some serious ranting during "ONE", a speech that was well put, well said, and well missed from the tape. I would imagine he gave the same speech during all four shows. It was in regards to the Aids epidemic in Africa. Anyways, the ranting was welcomed by me as I always love to hear what Bono has to say...and he's refrained from saying much since the Joshua Tree Tour. I'm hoping he keeps it up, despite what, if anything, the critics decide to do with it. I think Bono has to worry about the "image" thing anymore. Therefore, he doesn't need to worry about the critics either.
 
Geez that version of Bullet is STUNNING. I sat there with my mouth hangin open. It was great and I got goosebumps! The whole Mark Chapman thing scared me, too. Hm.

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I got the VHS version too, because it doesn't look like we're getting a DVD player any time soon, and I loooooved the show (or shows depending on your view). Personally I'm glad that they cut out whatever speech Bono gave that night. It's not that I think that the stuff Bono goes on about isn't worth saying, and if I was actually at the concert I would be the first one to cheer my approval. I just suspect that if it was included on the video I would always skip it.

Anyway, one thing that impressed me a lot is how much better Bono sounds compared to the POPMart in Mexico. It's not that his voice got much stronger (if it did, then only by a fraction), in fact, sometimes it sounds even more low and husky. But I'm just amazed by how incredibly well he has adapted to his new limitations and how well he uses his muchly-aged voice to the maximum effect (something that I think he hasn't figured out yet during the POPMart years). Bono's voice admittedly knew stronger times, but his singing has never been better IMO.
 
I really dont get the use of the word ****** in the rant thing. I'd rather Bono had not used that rant. I just happend to be playing the DVD while a black friend was here but she didnt say anything but I felt her tense for a second. I was totally unaware (hadnt watched the whole thing yet and Bullet is not one of my fave U2 songs) that bizarre version of Bullet was on the DVD and it was just in the background anyway but ROCK AND ROLL ****** just blared out of the speakers and it was weird. Who exactly is Bono quoting? Mark David Chapman (um, sorry but when did he say that?) or Patti Smith? And its relevance? To Bullet the Blue Sky? Just wanting an explanation on that. I really dont "get it" but I know you people must have a way to make it clear.
 
I completely agree with sulawesigirl4 that the Boston 4 rant was more chilling and emotional than what we see on the DVD. I was at the Boston 4 show, practically in front of Bono as he did his rant and it was beyond words. oliveu2cm says the rant is not from Boston 2, I'm not sure what show it's from, but I do know that parts of the DVD are from night 4, the Bonocam during Until the End of the World is because I saw me!! Not the hidden easter egg, but in the regular concert footage.
 
and did you notice the John Lennon glasses, bathed in blood, at the end?

I heard he did that rant before in Europe somewhere. I'm really glad it got on the DVD, it is so emotional. He hasto say that with a lot of force, because he is up against a hideous and pervasive group here in America that is very intimidating.

And man, we lost John Lennon because of guns, and a girl named Rachel who was shot at her school in Columbine...

Do you all remember when the Bullet video first started running and the gun groups took over all the U2 discussion boards? Absolute bullies. I talked with some of them for a time, until they resorted to pornography. Later I read a person with an anti-gun website recommended, after many years of debating, not to engage in discussion with these people. Too late, many U2 fans were needlessly offended and kicked off of websites.

ok, I can't find the verse, but I believe Bono covers his eyes because the Bible says to not look upon evil.

and the deaths from guns, many accidental, take that number and compare to the WTC disaster, and yet we have a hard time changing our policies toward guns.

...like that Patti Smith lyric, thanks for pulling that up oliveU2cm!.
 
I'm too lazy to print this out and compare it to the DVD, but is this the whole rant in question?

This man comes up to me, see
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colours of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down, right there in the Wal-Mart
Slapping them right down
One hundred
Two hundred
Three hundred
That's all, that's all
And I can feel the cold steel
I can feel the cold steel
And I can make a wound
That won't heal
I can make a wound
That won't heal
Thirty-eight millimeters
Like the police
I'm at the door with John & Yoko
Living love and peace
And love and peace
And love and peace
Feel like an old shoe
A re-release
Soon to be deceased
Pull the trigger
The rock 'n' roll ******
Is bigger than Jesus
On a bumper sticker
Pull the trigger, the rock 'n' roll ******
Bigger than Jesus on a bumper sticker
Pulse is racing, my eyes are chasing
For an autograph, I've been waiting
There's no escaping, history's taking
Hey, John, war is over, we don't need your help
America's making war on itself
War is over, we don't need your help
America's making war on istelf
676,000 will go down
In the streets of America
With a bullet
In the next twenty years
Twenty years
These bitter tears
In a business of bitter tears, John
All body bags, then Vietnam
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
What's my name?
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman
Mark Chapman

...and I run, into the arms of America

This *is* very chilling. It's like a whole other song embedded in Bullet.

Found this on http://www.theelsewhere.com/ , a pretty cool site, on the face of it.
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I am with U2LA. I don't really get it.

Is that the best explanation we have?

He is speaking like he is Mark C.?
 
Originally posted by DebbieSG:
and did you notice the John Lennon glasses, bathed in blood, at the end?

I heard he did that rant before in Europe somewhere. I'm really glad it got on the DVD, it is so emotional. He hasto say that with a lot of force, because he is up against a hideous and pervasive group here in America that is very intimidating.

And man, we lost John Lennon because of guns, and a girl named Rachel who was shot at her school in Columbine...

Do you all remember when the Bullet video first started running and the gun groups took over all the U2 discussion boards? Absolute bullies. I talked with some of them for a time, until they resorted to pornography. Later I read a person with an anti-gun website recommended, after many years of debating, not to engage in discussion with these people. Too late, many U2 fans were needlessly offended and kicked off of websites.

ok, I can't find the verse, but I believe Bono covers his eyes because the Bible says to not look upon evil.

and the deaths from guns, many accidental, take that number and compare to the WTC disaster, and yet we have a hard time changing our policies toward guns.

...like that Patti Smith lyric, thanks for pulling that up oliveU2cm!.

np Debbie! Interesting reasons for Bono covering his eyes-

This whole topic brings up something my friend Velvetdress and I have been talking about for a while now, following Bono's progression of Bullet during the Elevation tour and especially its change after 9/11. pl were unsure if he should/would still do this song on the 3rd leg- and indeed he did. He's done some interesting things w/ it. Something we suggested, mainly due to the use of the spotlight, was him denoting suicide- at the end of the song, putting the light up against his head, and then shutting it off, his body slumping forward. Then in PHiladelphia we saw him perform this song and got the shit scared out of us when "fighter planes" line came up. Edge's guitar MAKES it sound like there are planes above. Bono did something that immediately made us jump, he just snapped the light up into the ceiling, following it w/ his eyes "can you see those fighter planes" and EVERY head in the heart was looking up there, and i certainly was frightened! A friend pointed out to us if you listen to the LA3 version of Bullet, he has started a new rant about "ah ah i'm still alive" and it's NOT a Pearl Jam reference. This could be relating to two things- people stuck in the WTC (as they were finding bodies of pl in staircases who had tried to get out) or those evil pl who committed this atrocity, mocking the U.S. I don't know.

anyone else have insights on what Bono was trying to get across during Bullet? I'm mostly talking post 9/11. But I didn't understand the "covering the eyes" thing and that makes a lot of sense, debbie- i'm gonna try and find that verse.


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Here's what I found:

"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?" - Habakkuk 1:13

Since wherefore and all those can be misleading I also looked up someone's interpretation of this:

"The Prophet here expostulates with God, not as at the
beginning of the chapter; for he does not here, with a holy
and calm mind, undertake the defense of God's glory, but
complains of injuries, as men do when oppressed, who go to
the judge and implore his protection. This complaint, then,
is to be distinguished from the former one; for at the
beginning of the chapter the Prophet did not plead his own
cause or that of the people; but zeal for God's glory roused
him, so that he in a manner asked God to take vengeance on so
great an obstinacy in wickedness; but he now comes down and
expresses the feelings of men; for he speaks of the thoughts
and sorrows of those who had suffered injuries under the
tyranny of their enemies.

And he says, O God, thou art pure in eyes, thou lookest not on evil.
The Prophet reasons
from the nature of God, and then he states what is of an
opposite character. Thou, God, he says, art pure in eyes; hence
thou canst not look on evil; it is not consistent with thy
nature to pass by the vices of men, for every iniquity is
hateful to thee. So the prophet is complaining Thus the Prophet sets before himself the
nature of God. Then he adds, that experience is opposed to
this; for the wicked, he says, exult; and while they
miserably oppress the innocent, no one affords any help. How
is this, except that God sleeps in heaven, and neglects the
affairs of men?
We now then understand the Prophet's meaning
in this verse. 1
By saying that God is pure in eyes, he assumes what ought to be
deemed certain and indubitable by all men of piety. But as
God's justice does not always appear, the Prophet has a
struggle; and he shows that he in a manner vacillated, for he
did not see in the state of things before him what yet his
piety dictated to him, that is, that God was just and
upright. It is indeed true, that the second part of the verse
borders on blasphemy: for though the Prophet ever thought
honourably and reverently of God, yet he murmurs here, and
indirectly charges God with too much tardiness, as he
connived at things, while he saw the just shamefully
oppressed by the wicked.
But we must notice the order which
the Prophet keeps. For by saying that God is pure in eyes, he
no doubt restrains himself. As there was danger lest this
temptation should carry him too far, he meets it in time, and
includes himself, in a manner, within this boundary -- that
we ought to retain a full conviction of God's justice.

For he then asks, according to the common judgement of the
flesh, Why dost thou look on, when the ungodly devours one more just than
himself? The Prophet here does not divest God of his power, but
speaks in doubt, and contends not so much with God as with
himself. A profane man would have said, "There is no God,
there is no providence," or, "He cares not for the world, he
takes his pleasure in heaven." But the Prophet says, "Thou
seest, Lord." Hence he ascribes to God what peculiarly
belongs to him -- that he does not neglect the world which he
has created.
At the same time he here inclines two ways, and
alternates; Why does thou look on, when the ungodly devours one more just
than himself? He says not that the world revolves by chance, nor
that God takes his delight and ease in heaven, as the
Epicureans hold; but he confesses that the world is seen by
God, and that he exercises care over the affairs of men:
notwithstanding, as he could not see his way clear in a state
of things so confused, he argues the point rather with
himself than with God. We now see the import of this
sentence.
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whew, that was long.. but interesting b/c it really borders on POE! I'm glad I looked up the interpretation, b/c at first I thought it meant the Prophet, or Bono through his words, were saying "i'm too clean to see the evil" but now I understand. wow so interesting!



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** U2 Take Me Higher ** <--my "spoons"

Jazz man bass man cool -bluey-

*If I didn't have my spoons, I'd go insane!*
 
Originally posted by U2LA:
I really dont get the use of the word ****** in the rant thing. I'd rather Bono had not used that rant. I just happend to be playing the DVD while a black friend was here but she didnt say anything but I felt her tense for a second. I was totally unaware (hadnt watched the whole thing yet and Bullet is not one of my fave U2 songs) that bizarre version of Bullet was on the DVD and it was just in the background anyway but ROCK AND ROLL ****** just blared out of the speakers and it was weird.

Camilo, forgive me if what I am about to say sounds out of place cause you know I?m not from US, so maybe I should just shut up, but I got worried about what you told us. Here it happens as well, black people usually don?t like to be called "negros", it always brings some trace of prejudice.

But I believe that the most important thing is not the word itself but one?s intentions in using this or that especific word.
So maybe you could try to clarify things with your friend and telling her who is Bono, what he stands for, what kind of artist he is, and what were his intentions in acting the way he did. Also reminding her how much he and all the boys admire black american artists and musicians, how they were influenced by them. I think she would understand. Anyway, I?m just a friend trying to help you out.
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I've referred to the version of BTBS at Albany, NY in one of my other posts. In this version, which was performed before the Boston concerts, the rant is pretty standard, sticking to the way Bono has performed it in the past ("fighter planes," etc.) However, midway through the rant, he starts saying "Who's that man, Mark Chapman" over and over again, pointing his spot light in different directions. He raises his voice slowly until he is screaming "WHO'S THAT MAN MARK CHAPMAN!!!" This whole thing goes on repeatedly for like a whole minute, ending when the song does. I guess this morphed into "What's my name, Mark Chapman" and the whole "rock and roll ******" bit later on.

Personally, I like the earlier Elevation version better. It's simpler, but much more scarier and effective. As some other people in this post mentioned, I was terrified of Bono during this song. My jaw was on the F'ing floor. But...he makes it all better during WOWY afterwards.
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Also, does anyone remember what the BTBS rant consisted of on the third leg? After 9/11, the whole anti-gun theme was dropped. I went to the 1st Oakland concert, but for the life of me I can't remember anything about BTBS at that concert, even though I'm sure they played it. Maybe I'll have to search for some bootlegs.

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Zooropa140: at Oakland 1 BTBS starts with a kind of Middle Eastern chant and the rant is basically the same that he has done on previous tours (thought there is one point where he mumbles a bit and I can't tell exactly what he's saying) so it did not have the Mark Chapman rant.

olive: I opened up to that very verse, but was sure there was a more direct one...I can't find one, though, even with a search, so maybe I was wrong. Thanks for that interpretation though, very insightful! In fact, one of our pastors told us to read Habakkuk the first week after 9-11.
 
I don't get the use of the "N" word either. I know it was used in context and that's fine I guess.

The word makes me uncomfortable, is all I'm saying. It's a very interesting and effective speak, it just makes me uncomfortable to hear it and it makes me wonder what African American's take is on this and how they felt hearing this at the show?
I wonder how Bono would explain his reasoning for using the term in the song?
 
The part I don't get is who is he referring to as the "N"?

Is this Lennon or Chapman?

I know the gun issue.

Is the gun issue what you are referring to as my "not getting it says much about my American psyche" BULLET THE BLUE SKY?????

All I want cleared up is who is
"the rock n roll ******"?? and what does that mean.
 
Hey DebbieSG: Didn't you reply to one of my posts saying that you might have access to boots of Oakland 1? Any word on if this is still true?
 
This is a great topic.

I don't have much to add but this -

The use of the "N" word is not always referring to African Americans although that is, unfortunately, the most popular connotation.

If you look at the Patti Smith song, it says:
Outside of society,
they're waitin' for me
Outside of society,
that's where I want to be

The use of the "N" word here, is referring to someone that is outside of the norm, or society.

John Lennon was at that time, considered a Rock N Roll N*****. He was Outside of Society, American Society - preaching different ideals, i.e., peace & happiness.
Jimi Hendrix, Jackson Pollock - were all RNR N*****s because of their "different' approach to their crafts. They coloured outside of the lines.

I, myself, was jarred by Bono's use of the word because of the horrible connotations the "N" word has and knowing that many do not know that the "N" word is not directly referencing African Americans in the case of BTBS. I knew that many would take it possibly as a racial statement of some kind because it is such an awful word.

Also - would someone be so kind as to direct me to where I can download the BTBS from Boston4? You've got me so intrigued!!

Thanks!

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Originally posted by Zooropa140:
Hey DebbieSG: Didn't you reply to one of my posts saying that you might have access to boots of Oakland 1? Any word on if this is still true?

yeh I have one and can get you a copy, email me at debgoldenberg@yahoo.com
 
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