Bono's Gaming Problems.

[BonoIsMyMuse]

Oh noes, Bono is subliminally telling us we should all invade Venezuela

I knew my U2.com membership card might come in handy for something someday--hand to hand combat

I just made a fairly long post over in the U2 Livejournal community that I don't feel like repeating. The gist of it is that if people don't like it, don't buy the game. I have a hard time believing that one violent game in an already oversaturated market of violent games is going to make much of a difference.

 

[redhotswami]

I'm not sure if video games were part of the study, but it has been proven that exposing children to violence on TV causes them to act more violently. I'd imagine video games may have a similar effect.

was the parent a variable in this study? like, did the children respond differently b/c parents were watching violent tv with them?

i kicked my uncle's ass in MK. but i never once had the ambition to rip his heart out of his chest.

 

[david]

I remember when I was a kid and how video games made me want to jump on top of turtles and smash through bricks to find giant gold coins.

 

[Liesje]

was the parent a variable in this study? like, did the children respond differently b/c parents were watching violent tv with them?

I can't remember, it's been a while since my psych courses I do remember that they isolated every variable. Like, they were thinking that maybe the kids who acted violently and watched violent TV lived in homes with domestic violence or bad areas of town, but they got the same results across the board. I'm guessing if the parents had been watching, they would have realized how violent some "kids" programs are and turned it off!

 

[BonoIsMyMuse]

I remember when I was a kid and how video games made me want to jump on top of turtles and smash through bricks to find giant gold coins.

And when I found a racoon tail, I could fly, but only if I got a running start. Otherwise, I just fell off cliffs and died.

 

[Caroni]

I remember when I was a kid and how video games made me want to jump on top of turtles and smash through bricks to find giant gold coins.

And you got an insatiable hunger for mushrooms

 

[Utoo]

This thread title makes it seem like Bono's joining Michael Jordan at the casino

 

[DreamOutLoud13]

You know, when I first saw the thread title I thought this thread was going to be about how the new album will be delayed because Bono can't beat that damned bubble game.


But this thread is gold nevertheless

Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, B, A, start

 

[david]

I can only speak for myself when I say that as a kid I was subjected to violence on TV and such and honestly it never made me want to harm another human being.

I think it stemmed from being raised right?

I really do feel that the problem lies with the parents. Parents tend to use the TV and video game as a babysitter for children. I think parents should monitor what their child watches.

 

[redhotswami]

I thought it was A B A B?
and don't forget to hit select if you want 2 players.


what bubble game are you talking about? bubble bobble? that was my fav game ever!!!!!!

 

[redhotswami]

I can only speak for myself when I say that as a kid I was subjected to violence on TV and such and honestly it never made me want to harm another human being.

I think it stemmed from being raised right?

I really do feel that the problem lies with the parents. Parents tend to use the TV and video game as a babysitter for children. I think parents should monitor what their child watches.

i wrote for 10 minutes about this, but my post was too incoherent, so i cleared it. but i agree. i grew up watching practically every gangsta and war film. i turned out fine!

on the other hand, my parenets did give us video games to keep us occupied while they both worked full time shifts during the day, and often times my dad would be out of the country. sometimes i joke and say i had 2 sets of parents: my mom and dad, and then mario and luigi.

 

[gvox]

A James Bono movie is nothing compared to some of the video games that are out today.

And no I didn't.

IMO, there are way to many kids that get there hands on these games where as it's a little bit more difficult to see a James Bond movie in the theatre.

I beg to differ, Bond's been violent from day 1. That and sex are his calling cards dude.

Way easier to see a Bond movie for a kid. WAY easier. They play every flippin day on TV man!

I think I can agree on one point:

"IMO"

Well of course, in your opinion

I'm thinking that IHO, or, as you may, IBO (in his/bonos opinion) he's got little if anything to do with the game so he likely doesn't care?

Besides, Bono's a mean street fighter anyways, maybe he even plays the game LOL

 

[blueeyedgirl]

Maybe Bono should examine more carefully where he invests his money. Maybe he's got money in coal mining and whale hunting too

Ah, ethical investments

 

[BVS]

A James Bono movie is nothing compared to some of the video games that are out today.

And no I didn't.

IMO, there are way to many kids that get there hands on these games where as it's a little bit more difficult to see a James Bond movie in the theatre.

So now it's you who's going to judge what is "acceptable" violence?

And the means to which a kid can get their hands on the item has nothing to do with the provider. You can't say, the movie is OK because the 16 year old behind the counter will card them but the 16 year old at Best Buy won't.

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

what bubble game are you talking about? bubble bobble? that was my fav game ever!!!!!!

NOT BUBBLE BOBBLE!!!

I hate that game... That and stupid Rainbow Island

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

so what was the cause of violence in kids before video games? before movies? before cds? what was in hitler's cd case? did they have GTA in the dark ages? perhaps genghis khan saw a few too many tarrantino flicks?

please... people have been crazy and violent throughout history. as technology advances all it does is provide a different excuse for the ills of man.

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

Agreed...

My hatred for Bubble Bobble has caused me to do more violence than playing GTA...

 

[redhotswami]

NOT BUBBLE BOBBLE!!!

I hate that game... That and stupid Rainbow Island

Thems fightin words!!!

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

Thems fightin words!!!

Bring it on... The game itself isn't too bad, it's the music, oh the music!!

doo dee doo doo doo doo doo.... ARRGGG!!!!

 

[Utoo]

so what was the cause of violence in kids before video games? before movies? before cds? what was in hitler's cd case? did they have GTA in the dark ages? perhaps genghis khan saw a few too many tarrantino flicks?

please... people have been crazy and violent throughout history. as technology advances all it does is provide a different excuse for the ills of man.

I've heard Genghis wasn't breastfed.

 

[Bug]

LAME. People need to stop complaining about video games.
Only people who suck at video games do that.

The people whining about this must REALLY suck at video games and simple thought process.
Bono isn't even part of the production, amirite?

Not to mention that people who buy these games just want to have fun, they aint gunna think about the politics involved. I know I wouldn't.
g2g going to go play oddworld now. Perhaps one of these will tear my guy apart limb from limb.
Let's hope I don't run around tyring to tear people apart with my feets and giant claw like mouth!

 

[Vincent Vega]

Violent games lead, yes, to violent actions and attitudes. It has already been proved and you can clearly confirm that with the kids of today which games have having more violence in it and it copys many times the things they do in their journeys.

No, the big majority of research has shown exactly the opposite.

And the kids of today being violent very often don't play those games, because they are too busy causing trouble outside their home.

 

[Vincent Vega]

so what was the cause of violence in kids before video games? before movies? before cds? what was in hitler's cd case? did they have GTA in the dark ages? perhaps genghis khan saw a few too many tarrantino flicks?

please... people have been crazy and violent throughout history. as technology advances all it does is provide a different excuse for the ills of man.

Hitler couldn't paint, so he caused pain.

 

[BVS]

PacMan is to blame for my overeating.

 

[corianderstem]

By that token, my years obsessively playing Minesweeper has prepared me for a career in land mine removal.

 

[Utoo]

By that token, my years obsessively playing Minesweeper has prepared me for a career in land mine removal.

So games have given you a skill you can use to benefit mankind! How wonderful!

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

By that token, my years obsessively playing Minesweeper has prepared me for a career in land mine removal.

I heard that Andre Agassi was a nobody until he started playing pong...

 

[Liesje]

No, the big majority of research has shown exactly the opposite.

Not what the psych. units on aggression have been teaching around here.

Question: Does violent media cause children to become violent?
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Fran Trampiets teaches graduate courses in media education

Answer: Research about the relationship of media violence to violent behavior in children has been conducted by hundreds of researchers over the past 50 years. Most studies indicate that exposure to media violence is a significant contributing factor in a child’s violent behavior.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/fyi/teachers.tools/10/19/ask.expert.trampiets5/

Concerns about the negative effects of prolonged exposure to violent television programming emerged shortly
after broadcasting began in 1946. By 1972 sufficient empirical evidence had accumulated for the U.S. Surgeon General to comment that “…televised violence, indeed, does have an adverse effect on certain members of our society” (1). Other scientific bodies have come to similar conclusions. Six major professional societies in the United States—the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, and the American Psychiatric Association— recently concluded that “the data point overwhelmingly to a causal connection between media violence and aggressive behavior in some children” (2). In a report on page 2468 of this issue, Johnson and colleagues (3) present important evidence showing that extensive TV viewing among adolescents and young adults is associated with subsequent aggressive acts. Despite the consensus among experts, lay people do not seem to be getting the message from the popular press that media violence contributes to a more violent society. We recently demonstrated that even as the scientific evidence linking media violence to aggression has accumulated, news reports about the effects of media violence have shifted to weaker statements, implying that there is little evidence for such effects (4). This inaccurate reporting in the popular press may account for continuing controversy long after the debate should have been over, much as the cigarette smoking/cancer controversy persisted long after the scientific community knew that smoking causes cancer.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/295/5564/2377.pdf

L. Rowell Huesmann, PhD
Professor of Psychology and Communication Studies, University of Michigan

Past President, International Society for Research on Aggression

..."Hundreds of studies have confirmed that exposing our children to a steady diet of violence in the media makes our children more violence prone. The psychological processes involved are not mysterious. Children learn by observing others, and the mass media provide a very attractive window for these observations. Children imitate the behaviors they see, and children deduce what is right and
wrong from what they see. Children hone their ideas and behaviors by practicing them, by rehearsing them over and over."

http://www.senate.gov/~commerce/hearings/0504hue.pdf

There are also many, many studies/abstracts available in my textbooks and psych. research databases (can't link to them here b/c you have to login to access the documents).

We shouldn't necessarily blame media for violence. There are many factors that increase violence and aggression. But it's simply not true that mostresearch does not support the fact that exposing kids to more violent media increasing acts of aggression.

 

[redhotswami]

Bring it on... The game itself isn't too bad, it's the music, oh the music!!

doo dee doo doo doo doo doo.... ARRGGG!!!!

WHAT?! That song is so superior in its brilliance, not even U2 can ever top it. And lets not forget about the soundtest at the end. LOVE the Russian music

 

[Vincent Vega]

I was referring to studies on computer games, one long-time study carried out in Australia for example, and many others.
Here in Germany it's a very important topic if computer games make people violent.
They don't care about TV or such.
There have been to amok runs, one in 2003, and one last year. Both were about 19 years old, one didn't pass A-levels, the other one was an underperformer in school and mad at the mainstream society, both were "oudsiders", and so on.
Still, politicians and the media immediately blamed computer games for their behaviour. And especially the media was very emphasizing that movies are totally different.

And many researchers here in Germany have used various methods to find out about the effects such games have.

Well, at first we have to say, these computer games aren't produced for children, and especially Germany has very strict laws for computer games. Although I watched violent movies, and played such games starting at the age of eight (and no, my parents werent irresponsible ones that didn't care about what their kids are doing) I didn't turn out aggressive, neither did any of my friends.
But nevertheless, if young kids play those games and show behaviour that indicates some bad influence, the parents are responsible if they let them go on playing.

Most findings clearly showed that the aggression that might be seen during playing those games didn't stay with the player after he stopped. One researcher let some people play those games while being in a computer tomograph showing which parts of the brain are especially in action while playing. Turned out, there was no emotion visible, the players just focussed on being good in the game.
Other tests came to similar conclusions.

And everybody said, no one becomes a violent or killing monster only because he was playing too much Counter-Strike or GTA.
People like the both running amok turned violent because of so many factors, and causality was that they first became violent people, and then started playing those games as another means to focus on their aggressions.

Also, what was very interesting, people who played these games for years weren't nearly as much influenced by the games as were people who just started to play those games.