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pissed_@_u2

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Hi Kids,

The latest U2 membership ticket fiasco is a farce that smells sweet, like synthetic corporate greed; packaged no different than rotten meat, sold for the highest price to whoever will consume it. Pealing off those dollars, one hundred, two hundred and then, less than 2 minutes to decide how much hard-earned-cash to give to The Bonofied-U2 Charity, while the clock ticks off those limited seconds, one thousand, two thousand, and then three (uno, quatros..)…, reality hits and you wonder why this fog-like dream ever mattered and why anyone at this point would fuel this greedy consuming chaos. As with any reality check, corporate or political excess often will expose itself, i.e., the bad guys always get busted by themselves and the thoughtless actions they take, and the advantages they tend to prey upon; these characters of time are bound by feeling comfortable in the haze they exude, as if it’s ok to steal in broad daylight -- because they assume everyone is either blinded by delusions or staring at the darkened mirror ball that spins above the stars and holds the promise of your heart…

Sincerely,

Pissed at U2
 
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Re: watch more Tv


Bot-like posts are a start, but can you feel anything at all..............like something on top of a new born head....dah, dah, da, dah...

Thought Id get to chat here, but no. Happy Ash Wed!
 
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin' to do
It's up to you, yeah you



Wonder what John wold have done with the ticket sales? I guess at some point you turn these things over to higher powers?

P
 
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Hi!

Unfortunately, like most other things, music has been relegated to "big business" and as such.....well.....sometimes the consumers get lost in the shuffle.

I live in Florida so I have a slim to no chance to ever see U2 in concert so I just sit back and enjoy the music on my CD or i-Pod and leave it at that.

I could not even access the official U2 site so I joined up here as other U2 fans have done to talk or access U2 info.

carol
wizard2c
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contractual obligations and dignity

Yah, yah, yah,

Music is a platform for peace and love but the mechanics are subservient to contractual obligations; say anything you want and sing as loud as possible, but always make as much dough as you can in the process. The real trouble with success is that people (that make it) forget about what its like to be at the bottom, they forget about humility and simple dignity, because they simply dont have time for crap that gets in the way of being god-like, thus what they say and what they do, are two distinct factors, which is why, Im pissed_@_u2!
 
What about those who are rich who gives millions away? What about those who are on top, but go and work with their bare hands to help the unfortunate?
And isn't admitting that your wrong, and saying your sorry a humble act? To admit a mistake?
I *still* think you sound like Jick.
Whatever.
TTFN
 
Re: are you Jick in disguise


@ some point, there is a little jick in everyone that is disguised; trust in no one and no one will trust in you.

It's gonna be a long hot Summer....
 
Re "What about those who are rich who gives millions away? What about those who are on top, but go and work with their bare hands to help the unfortunate?
And isn't admitting that your wrong, and saying your sorry a humble act? To admit a mistake?"

** Yes, yes, saying your sorry is a very chivalrous dramatization, but one which has been played on many stages; seldom for free though and often very hypocritical!
 
Alright then, taking it to a more specific case, how about the fact that they are refunding all of that "stolen" money to those who want it?
And you're right an apology *can* be fake, just a gesture worth crap all, however, to figure out which category a given apology falls into requires looking at who is apologizing - what does thier face tell you? their tone?

(By the way, my argumentative friend, have you found at least some glimmer of the conversation you were looking for?)

TTFN
 
yet they continued to OVER-sell memberships

Ok, BrightestStar, aka, TTFN,

Re: “… refunding all of that "stolen" money to those who want it?”

Refunding “hard earned cash” was a means towards an end, because this majestic U2 generosity of spirit solved only part of the problem.

IMHO, there should have been a follow through effort to target problems of supply and demand dynamics which started this fiasco, e.g., I feel that the fanclub was allocated too few tickets in the first place and thus they could have never supplied fans with tickets -- yet they continued to OVER-sell memberships and thus set out ticket-bait for the ticket-hungry mice, who were snared in the U2-ticket-trap! Providing a business service that promised something it couldn’t deliver was not ethical or moral and sets a nasty precedent which needs to be rectified; if U2 wants to look the other way and then fabricate this mess into an artistic illusion -- then obviously it’s time to wash those Superstar hands and kiss the other cheek.

Larry (or was it Curl & Moe) jumped ahead of the PR curve in an effort to put out a burning fire, and offered necessary refunds, because IMHO the fanclub basically voided the terms of the contract. All-in-all, the fire has been managed and many of the angry patrons hope to be healed by the hullabaloo which U2 can potentially offer, but, in regard to apologizing and tone, I was not overly impressed by the weak handed U2 apology; I didn’t feel the tone of a person who was waiting in line or subjected to the misery of ticket-technology, and I did not see a statement suggesting that U2 would cease to do business with anyone involved in this greedy collusion!

As for, “some glimmer of the conversation” here, yes, I was looking for some cathartic outlet, but I still haven’t found what I’m looking for (if yah get my drift….how about a free show in my town, because -- Talk is filthy cheap compared to actions!
 
Wow, I'm actually worth being named now, and getting a full blown response! Who would have ever thought I was worthy?
BTW, I love your little subheadings, and especially the :love: smilie in your last response to me.

I believe that they are working on the whole supply and demand, follow through part, heck, the tour hasn't even started yet. I have faith that they will do what they can to rectify the situation.

Also, they never had to offer refunds, *especially* without any push for it. As for the "contract" being null and voided, I don't believe that's true as any member still has an oppertunity to get tickets (3rd leg), even if they haven't got them yet. Also, while I am not 100% sure, I'm fairly certain that it said something along the lines that 'members will get the first chance at tickets', not that each and every member would be assured tickets.

As for Larry's apology, the fact that he is, as you say "ahead of the PR department" shows that they do care, despite, the fact that I think they have more important things on their minds right now. Did you see the grammy acceptance? (It's curly btw not curl )

Well, I'm glad you've found an outlet for your frustration, but how creul of you to unleash such wrath on the newbies. :tsk:

Oh yeah, as for you talk is cheap comment, I don't know, I hear phone sex costs a pretty penny these days.

Pleasure chating with you as always.
TTFN

Ps. I still think you're Jick.
 
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you dont get any (more) of my dough dude

TTFN, et al,

We are all worthy, except me, and thank you for your observations in regard to the subheadings (and your incorrect assumption related to the frowning face); nice to see your looking for details though, and thus back to our purpose for being here (once again).

You remain optimistic and easily dismiss the logistics of the screw up before the tour; hence, it is impossible to sell tickets to kids and rectify the fact that most of these people have limited funds and were forced into obtaining inadequate seating.

The reason people joined the membership drive at the fanclub, was to obtain an advantage and thus be able to be several steps ahead of the hordes. As an example, my kid wanted to go see these old Irish men perform, so I broke down and bought a membership for $40 (the night before tickets were to go on sale: January 24), we hesitated, but we sincerely hoped for the best, and shared your current optimism, and then sat back to wait for details; to be specific, the club said U2 would be in Seattle April 24th, so in all honesty, we ignored far too much of the fine print, and simply assumed we had priority rights to presale ticketing, because we obviously just paid $40 (for something which was never too clear).

Sad and long story today, so hang tuff and remain positive.

Like idiots, I logged on to the member area the morning of January 25th, with credit card in hand and waited for the 10 a.m. horse race, but I was surprised to see the Seattle show listed as TBD, i.e., to be decided. After a more in depth analysis of the U2.com member ticketing info, I realized that the April 24th Seattle show was somewhat of a lost footnote, e.g., “(All additional on sale dates will be announced in the next few weeks)”. Thus, I called U2.com to see when we could buy tickets and of course no one had any idea, they told us to keep checking the U2.com webpage, and at that point, that seemed ludicrous, because if tickets were sold on a first come first serve basis, we would have to have neural net chips embedded deeply in our brains to alert us to what U2 was thinking and when Principal Mang would give a handful of tickets to U2.com for limited presale frenzies; ludicrous, unethical and bogus!

I called U2,com to see what they would say about a refund -- although I didn’t care a bit, because I would let my credit card company dispute the charge anyway, but, as it turned out, Larry writes a short PR letter and cries and sobs about the little mix up and offers a full refund -- like its some unprecedented loss of revenue for the billionaire band/corporation. Needless to say, I cash in my chips ASAP and explain to my increasingly distressed daughter that we will give this casino one more roll and buy in person, when the tickets go on sale to the scummy general public.

In a few days, we drive 30 miles very early to the small music store (which time forgot, i.e., Port Townsend, WA) and of course, no one is around, but a poster on the door states, tickets will go on sale at 10 a.m., so we wait. A small crowd of about 35 people eventually prepare for the blood-thirsty mania to unfold. We all draw tickets in a unified lotto for places in line (inside the small store) and then we all have to pre-commit to what types of seats we want and method of payment. The clock ticks off those seconds, but wait, I’m told that if I buy the two general admission tickets, I will have to buy the reserved seating separately in another transaction, and if I have two transactions on the same card, ticketbastard will cancel the second transaction and refund my hard earned cash (cause of those darn scalpers)…..so what to do, as the clock ticks away…..hmmm?

My daughter has never been to a concert before, but at 15 ½ she is almost in tears, because I’m ready to drop out of line, because I was planning on going with her and a few of her friends, but since there are about 5 minutes left, I decide to shoot for what she wants, i.e., 2 general admission floor tickets and then let her go alone (with another inexperienced concert go’er).

Tickets go on sale, and we are 6th in line, we get up to the counter within minutes, they punch up the request, and bingo, no general floor tickets, so we get forced into the next split second decision, to get reserved seats with the nosebleed crowd……so we panic and say yes, yes, please God give us the tickets, we will pay; the show sells out after we get our request punched in, it took about 8 minutes, but she got her dream! My daughter is thrilled to have scored her first ticket deal and we proudly exclaim that when we get these f-cking tickets, were not gonna stay in our little town, were not all gonna drive all the way to F-ucking Seattle, but this time, just this time, three of us will go and Ill drive the Friggn car around in circles in Seattle while my kid watches a concert with her first boyfriend; ..., and when they come home, they can share that experience with me, cause I have never seen U2 and Im still pissed I missed them back in Denver (by one night) years ago…..when they were playing a very small club that may have held 1500 seats (The Rainbow); it still pisses me off that when I heard U2 for the first time, it was a re-broadcast of that previous nights concert, and I was driving home from a dumbass Graham Nash show at The Rainbow; and I’m still pissed that Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young never booted his ass out of CSN……but I digress; I’m still pissed that for all the years I’ve loved U2, I will be driving around in circles and wondering why I joined the U2.com fanclub for $40, so that I could get U2 tickets in advance? Ill spend $40 on gas now! Eat your heart out Larry! My gas, my car, you dont get any of my dough dude!

In the end, this is not a tragedy, because I raised my kid with lots of quality music, and she has her head on very straight, I’m very proud of her, and hope she enjoys the show, but little microscopic dramas like this are at the heart of this ticket fiasco.

I did get my money back (I think), but the aggravation of the process makes me think a lot less of U2 and the music industry; the greed associated with these processes devalues the art and it takes away from the good things people try to do. In retrospect, I wish our family (our tribe) could all watch this show together and share the experience, but instead, our family will be divided by the red tape and bureaucracy of the ticketing business. It would be nice, if we could just watch this on a TV and use a pay-per-view system and then be done with it. As it stands, this is a circus for the rich and the well connected and of course, those that are willing to pay for scalped tickets that I should have been able to buy @ U2,com; it, leaves a bad taste in my mouth!

As for the grammy acceptance, no, I don’t watch Tv.

As a bonus, for getting through all this crap, here is an example of great lasting entertainment:

THE GET BACK REHEARSALS


/Gallery/GetBackRehearsals/Rooftop

Thursday - 30 January 1969
Apple Corps (Roof), London

The Beatles' celebrated rooftop show. An idea conceived during a meeting on 26 January, it was the first of two consecutive Beatles/Billy Preston performances which concluded the Get Back project, for on 31 January they ran through numbers inside the basement studio.

This day's work has passed into history as the Beatles' last live performance, even if it couldn't be classified as a concert. The 42-minute show (about half of which comprises the sensational close to the Let It Be film) was a lunchtime blast into the cold wind - imagine a high London rooftop in January - that brought part of the capital to a standstill, until the police, in turn, brought the show to an enforced conclusion.



*** As for U2, the wax museum may be the final lasting legacy (for the lads); where, 'Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me' will play in an endless loop for generations to come!

Sincerely,

Pissed

P.S. As for Jick: who can really say?
 
Re: you dont get any (more) of my dough dude

pissed_@_u2 said:

Sincerely,

Pissed


I apologize for not having fully read your extensive second text and that's because I think anyone can say that, whoever you are, you're pissed. I hope you get better.
 
"Pissed" obviously has a great deal of time on his/her hands. If there's any to spare, a visit here might put things a little more in perspective: www.u2.modblog.com
Of course, it's your choice to think they're just greedy bastards, but you might want to look at Bono's comments there.
 
Yah,

1. We all need perspective and for the sake of infotainment, Ill pay a visit to your shrine.

2. "Once I could meet with them on every side;
But they have dwindled long by slow decay;
Yet still I persevere, and find them where I may."

3. shit thread and shit presale tickets from U2.com!

4. No apologies needed, Im just here for therapy; hope that doesnt piss you off?
 
Another thing,

Did not know about the proceedure of moving the original thread to another board; is that normal here? I felt so comfortable where i was, and now, tossed in amongst the wolves and crying babes; maybe Ill float down river and never be heard from again................please save me Bono, let your charity reach out to me before I drift away!
 
pissed_@_u2 said:
Yah,

1. We all need perspective and for the sake of infotainment, Ill pay a visit to your shrine.

2. "Once I could meet with them on every side;
But they have dwindled long by slow decay;
Yet still I persevere, and find them where I may."

3. shit thread and shit presale tickets from U2.com!

4. No apologies needed, Im just here for therapy; hope that doesnt piss you off?

I think you are the biggest disgusting asshole I have ever encountered on here. You obviously don't give a rat's ass about what is happening in the band's life. It's about you you you not getting tickets. Please go away. You are nothing but a waste of time to talk to. If you had looked at the grammies and the blog maybe you can open your eyes to see what has happened. The band has problems to deal with but you sir have major major issues to deal with and I suggest getting therapy as the first step for your anger.:mad:
 
If people are so pissed at U2 and seem to hate them then why come here? Geez, find another band then. I was angry and hurt to. I accepted the apology and moved on. I also understand their personal problems. If you can't, then so be it but don't try to force others to hate them. All the negativity is amazing. Anything positive now adays is drowned out by the negative. I think there are people that just enjoy stirring people up and it works everytime.
 
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