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Old 10-08-2001, 12:01 PM   #1
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As this is war against terorism, should IRA and ETA be eliminated too?

I'm just wandering, the world declared war on terorism, not only muslim terorism. If we look at it that way than there should be some strong action against IRA and against ETA in Spain and France, as wall as persecution against all the people who helped them, like US citisens who are originaly from Ireland who for years sent money and arms to IRA.

What do you think about it?
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now my mum (read my lips I said MUM!) said it was about time the Americans stopped funding the IRA.......I never knew why they did so, and she said it was cause they were believed in, the terrorists...............when really all that money went to buy more semtex, guns, etc...........

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anyway, thats what my mumsie said!!!!
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IT seems that people are tired by this subject. It's fair.

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I'm not a fan of the IRA or any other terrorist group, but I think we should take this one step at a time....

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As this operation is mainly run by US military it is unlikely that they will extinguish this two piles of BS from the planet just because they were not involved in the actions of Sep 11. Though it would be niceof the US government to do so...

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Old 10-08-2001, 02:08 PM   #7
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Sperber I think so too. US would realy grow in my eyes if they encourage all nations to get rid of their terorists, and offcourse if they stop their support towards the IRA.
Shygirl, yes, there's no need to rush, but just do it in a month, year or 5 years, but do it
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To play the Devil's Advocate...

Who defines a "terrorist"? I ask this because, 225 years ago, you could have labelled the American revolutionaries as "terrorists" for rebelling against the British Empire. Is there a line that can be drawn? A question I'd like to pose.

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I can see your point melon, but I think that it was a totally different time and the circumstances were alot different.. We were fighting for our independence, once we gained that it ended.. The american people are somewhat reasonable.. There is no reasoning with a mad man like Osama Bin Laden...
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Shygirl I think that Melon doesn't say that for Bin Laden but for IRA - terorist is anyone who places a bomb in a pub full of civilians. I may sipatize Ireland, and I wish them their peace and their land, but IRA is a TERORIST organization, as well as ETA. ETA also has meny just ang good arguments, but their tactics is teroristic. That said, do youo think that Bin Laden has some just arguments? But his acting is totaly wrong and evil? I do think so, not precicely for bin laden but for muslims in middle east...
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Old 10-08-2001, 02:41 PM   #11
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I do see your point Marko about the IRA.. I was too general in my remarks to melon..

To answer your question.. I do think there are some just arguments in the Middle East.. I'm not a expert on the subject,but it seems the USA hasn't exactly used its head when dealing with that part of the world..
Even though there may have been some valid arguments, it still doesn't make terroism right or noble..
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The problem the US government has with its foreign policy are deeply rooted within its own history.As the became the worlds most powerful nation after WW1 it took only there action where its own interests were in danger. This is a part of the US policy even nowadays! This isnt something they do on purpose it just is so... they just dont see why they sould bother about some small countries somewhere in the middle east as long it has nothing to do with oil. That is the huge problem, they( the vast majority of the US citizens) cant see the point why the world surrounding them is of any importance to them.

BTW This is only my opinion and not meant as a provocation to any of the readers!

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Old 10-08-2001, 04:12 PM   #13
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Well we are young interferences (100+ posts) and people here can sometimes be so not-tolerant(i'm trying not to be to hard) that I feel so too. There are some people that think like we do, but others atack us when we try to speak so it's unbarable...

but hey, so what, this is net, and I'll stick to my points of view

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Bin Laden and his organization need to be put out of business, without question. So do the IRA and every other organization that promotes change through violent action.

But that would only be part of the solution. Bin Laden is not the world's #1 financial sponsor of terrorism. He is not the world's #1 financial sponsor of brutal dictators and human rights abusers. He is not the world's leading supplier of nearly every form of lethal arms. The U.S. is. If the U.S. really wants to have any credibility whatsoever as a leader in stopping terrorism, it should stop training, supplying, and supporting (financially, diplomatically, and other) terrorists and human rights abusers (such as Bin Laden, a product of American assistance) who happen to favor its geopolitical and economic interests. The U.S. CAN stop terrorism worldwide if it is sincere about it - but the historical evidence is far to the contrary, I'm afraid. The other 4 permanent U.N. Security Council countries are also guilty to a lesser degree in this.

The issue of who gets classified as being a terrorist or a dictator is very relevant - I mean, Saddam Hussein is a "dictator", but Saudi Arabia's leader is a "king". Is there a difference? Same thing: what's a "guerrilla" and what's a "freedom fighter"?
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In terms of the Muslim issue raised here, it is interesting how I never see the IRA referred to as "Christian terrorists" in the U.S. media. However, the terms "Islamic" and "terrorist" are unfairly and inextricably linked in U.S. media - a clear example of the systematic and prevalent bias we see in the American media.

Bin Laden is a terrorist who happens to be Muslim. McVeigh was a terrorist who happened to be Christian (I think). Hitler was a human rights abuser who happened to be Christian. A terrorist is a terrorist, whatever deluded justification he feels he has to be violent.
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Here's something a little disturbing:

I have a friend who's a member of the IRA, and she insists that they're not a terrorist group, and, in fact, they never killed anyone.

Right.

Her mother is also friends with Gerry Adams.
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Shygirl I'm not trying to justify them - they are wrong and they have to come to justice. I was just making a paralel betveen Muslim terorists and IRA and ETA.

Sperber I totlay agree with you on that!
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Yep, I know these are harsh words but it feels good to know there are some people who agree with me!

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IRA?ETA?...terrorists?...yes they are.BUT theres a diference between Bill Landen who kills in name of religion, because for islamics there are only to kind of people: the islamics and the no-islamics, and all the no-islamics are satan.This is a madness.
But IRA and ETA defense their country...Im from Barcelona, Im catalan, my national identity document says that I am spanish...fuck spanish!Im not!Catalunya was attacked 200 years ago, as Euskadi, or Ireland by the English...
I know that a lot from you wont understand me but when you are on the edge...you make crazy things.
But ...what is terrorism? because if we understand it as "making terror by killing and massacre and caos" there are a lot of governments that are terrorist organitzations.
Finally, I agree with the bombing on Agfanistan, islamics are very dangerous, due to there religion fanatism.
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Old 10-09-2001, 07:27 AM   #20
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I just think that this terrorism problem is much to complicated to be fixed quickly..
We need to deal with the most threatening problems at hand and then go from there...

Hopefully the events of Sept 11th have really shaken up our government, so we really try to figure out a long term solution to this problem..
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