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Old 03-27-2006, 09:58 PM   #61
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Wow...this thread suddenly became very punk It's hard to overpraise The Clash, no matter what, or who, got you listening to them. Sure, there are many other punk acts, but they set the bar. They created meaningful anarchy, instead of the predictable territory of chasing women and booze.
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This could be a classic example of "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" Who's to say that someone posting here didn't get into The Clash/Ramones/etc. before getting into U2? Why automatically assume that U2 was the onset of every other musical interest? Just throwing that out there. I don't actually have anything more I wish to contribute to this punk discussion
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Old 03-27-2006, 11:24 PM   #63
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this punk song is dedicated to I W B

Heart Attack Man - Beastie Boys - ya thats right -the beastie boys

and before ya say " they arent punk" why not takea listen

there seems to be a whole lotta GOUT RAGE at this thread

who says you have to know the whole punk catalog to enjoy a punk song..

IWB:" AHA....you pee ons you dont know true punk with your clash and sex pistols contributions- ive been there - ive been there in the drunken haristylin' haircuts and the torn puke stenched jumpers.the safety pins.
the crap relations with mom and dad
oh yes....ive been there............... and you have not because i havent seen you there but i want you to believe that i rock so much harder than you do !"
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* just wanted to add I did give the ramones, clash and other bands I mentioned earlier [with the exception of television] a listen before i ever got into u2...
'punk' was the music I listened to before and for the most part I now know I had crap taste.

i'm fairly a new u2 fan [no more than 7 years]...and got into them mostly through listening to the police and the smiths...

I know this is a U2 forum but I don't get how so many assume everyone's life here revolves around them. I really doubt people go around basing their music taste on bands, music etc...cause Bono says he likes it...it's one thing to discover something that way and genuinely like it but to like it for the sake's of some musician/celebrity's praise is ridiculous.
And I actually get the feeling that the majority of posters here are nice, smart, decent human beings [with good musical taste] ...and I'm being totally honest. Unfortunately some people come off like they're always nitpicking on others over differences of opinion or taste...and I'm sure I've come off that way before without even noticing. But that being said, let's embrace our differences of music [unless you like creed...than that's a whole different story]....

-apologies for the overlenghty post
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ANGELA ,


I need to know how I amde ya feel girl!

Im feeling a bit of low self esteem right now and i just need a smile from someone before i get all kooky and go find some guns and dress like GI Joe and go on a hike thru LA and just act over all very scary


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Dont sweat I have no idea what your post above meant, but let's just leave it. It's easier, it seems lol.
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do PIL count as punk or are people going to get fussy and say 'NO! POST-PUNK YOU IDIOT!' ??
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Has anyone ever heard that Mission of Burma song I listed?

Because that is one awesome song.

Hell, IWB, do you like Mission of Burma? They're from down your area, aren't they?

yeah, they're from boston, right? i never got into their stuff. not sure why. the songs i heard really didn't win me over and sounded remniscent of a certain kind of sound i've never been too into? don't know. i don't hate them, i just don't really know much of the music. i'll go check out that song.






achtung_bebe - yeah, that's entirely possible that people here were clash/ramones fans before listening to u2. so possible that it's even true! i was listening to the clash before i started listening to u2 (shhhh, shouldn't say that, it will only fuel your suspicions that i think i'm punker than you all). when davec had his inane classic rock survivor threads, u2kitten came along and accused me of what you all think i'm saying. i'm saying that evidence from this thread implies that this is the case based on the observation that no one ever discusses anything they claim to be punk rock (hey, some elvis costello sounds punk to me, and i've said the same thing lazarus said about the beatles sounding pretty punk fucking rock), whereas u2kitten just wanted to tell everyone that the clash sucked and whatever band dave put them up against was better.

again, nowhere did i say i'm more punk rock than you guys, you just read it into my posts because you wanted to see it. i still listen to plenty of things that scenesters consider not cool anymore, i don't go to 1/4 of the shows i'd like to go to. i can post that until i'm blue in the fingers, but it's not like any of you actually read it. it's not like i'm in EYIW, accusing people who don't own october or only know WOWY/streets/beautiful day of not being true u2 fans or anything.
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i like to refer to it as punk rock from venus
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do PIL count as punk or are people going to get fussy and say 'NO! POST-PUNK YOU IDIOT!' ??
Check out my earlier post!
Pil are original punk! Post sex pistols but still punk! The first 3 albums are amazing. Lydon lost it though once he started using session muso's...bring back Jah Wobble i say.....
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achtung_bebe - yeah, that's entirely possible that people here were clash/ramones fans before listening to u2. so possible that it's even true! i was listening to the clash before i started listening to u2 (shhhh, shouldn't say that, it will only fuel your suspicions that i think i'm punker than you all). when davec had his inane classic rock survivor threads, u2kitten came along and accused me of what you all think i'm saying. .... again, nowhere did i say i'm more punk rock than you guys, you just read it into my posts because you wanted to see it.
I see -- I am not familiar with these 'inane' classic rock survivor threads or the accusations that came with them -- should I be sorry I missed it?



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i like to refer to it as punk rock from venus
That is incredibly punk--Chizip wins, hands down.
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Punk is as much or more about an attitude and ethos as it is about genre-based limitations on the musical form or the mainstream pedigree (or lack of one) that an artist possesses.

I had some students write a paper about how Green Day had abandoned their punk roots by wearing eyeliner and bashing Bush. My rebuttal was hhundreds of words long, but I think they misunderstand "punk" and the history of Green Day who cut their chops at Gilman Street in the Bay Area hotbed of commie homocore bands and the like. (I mean, they took Pansy Division out as openers on their first arena tour).

Now, many punks have gone completely acoustic, thus prompting one critic to claim "Folk is the new punk" and of course we all know that folk is the old punk.

Who is more punk than Woody "this guitar kills fascists" Guthrie?
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Punk is as much or more about an attitude and ethos as it is about genre-based limitations on the musical form or the mainstream pedigree (or lack of one) that an artist possesses.

I had some students write a paper about how Green Day had abandoned their punk roots by wearing eyeliner and bashing Bush. My rebuttal was hhundreds of words long, but I think they misunderstand "punk" and the history of Green Day who cut their chops at Gilman Street in the Bay Area hotbed of commie homocore bands and the like. (I mean, they took Pansy Division out as openers on their first arena tour).

Now, many punks have gone completely acoustic, thus prompting one critic to claim "Folk is the new punk" and of course we all know that folk is the old punk.

Who is more punk than Woody "this guitar kills fascists" Guthrie?
saying green day strayed from their punk roots is stupid because essentially they're still playing some form of punk rock music. but so is the eye make-up and bush-bashing. it's not any kind of punk attitude to stand up on a stage at the vans warped tour (read: punk rock at its most corporate) and get a "fuck bush" chant going. they're preaching to the converted, and they're preaching to the converted masses who all of a sudden like green day because they dress like my chemical romance. not to say OMG tehy rnt punx bcuz they don't have the original version of slappy hours or something, because i couldn't care less when some kid started liking a band. chances are, given the majority of the kids i see at shows wearing green day shirts these days are a good 6 or 7 years younger than me, and i was only like 10 or something when dookie came out. they changed their image to appear relavent and sell more records. sure, making money is the whole point of it, but if the whole punk attitude has to do with spitting in the face of society and doing what you want, making the music you want to make, because that's what you want to do and not because it will appeal to the current market... what they did in the past as far as taking pansy division out on tour doesn't matter. in the past they also put out warning, which personally i thought was great. i'd have been content if they'd put out more pop-punk songs about being bored and masturbating (although, i am extremely sick of hearing "long view") because they do the catchy pop-punk thing well. but you grow up, and suddenly you don't want to be that guy anymore. with warning, they branched out a bit on that. american idiot seemed like a pre-midlife crisis attempt at appealing to the younger crowd, rather than rolling with the years.

i don't like nofx, and i generally think fat mike is full of shit, but at least he's involved (or was, i don't keep up with his career) with the punkvoter thing. feel free to correct me, but aside from maybe some mtv anybody but bush ads last election, has green day done anything? along the same lines, anti-flag are basically caricatures of political punk. tell me that a kid wearing an anti-flag "fuck the army" shirt, while walking around at the warped tour, eating a slice of domino's pizza isn't misguided and uninformed. i'd like to see that arguement, provided the person presenting it isn't equally uninformed as that kid.

other than against me! (and weren't the last couple albums mostly pretty much electric? i don't know, i really don't like them much), i can't think of these other acoustic punks. enlighten me.

agreed, woody gutherie = punk fucking rock.
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holy shit, i forgot about that lit song. they were so bad. i told my friend that when i got an electric guitar that would be the first song i wanted to play. no fucking way!


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