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Old 10-26-2006, 03:05 PM   #46
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i do believe the point of the thread is how there are many people on this forum who slam u2 for a lot of the things that bands they think are so hip and cool and "down with it" do as well.

This was indeed the point of the thread. I totally acknowledge and probably agree with most of what GG said. U2 and RCHP are two very different bands and have very different strengths. But when the same words are used to characterize (or criticize) the music of both bands----"daring," "experimental," etc.---it's almost hard to say that one isn't really comparing the two bands on some level. To me, other than the bass lines, most of RHCP isn't "daring," nor really "edgy," etc. Rhyming is great, and I do praise Anthony's great rhyming skills. But when 1/3 of the lyrics are pointless filler just to get to a rhyme...that doesn't impress me at all.

I think it's fine if one wants to argue that U2 have taken a step down from where one believes they may have been. However, I don't think the level they're at now is any lower than the level where oft-praised bands lie.

As evidenced by just about everything but their rhythm section, RCHP only occasionally delivers a complete package. When a band like U2 only delivers half a package, they get railed on because we're used to getting more from them. But when a band that only occasionally gives you the full thing comes out with half a package, they're praised. Is it that you don't expect as much? If RCHP consistently give you 75% and they come out with something that's only 75% or 80%, that's okay---and better than the band that usually gives 90-95% and comes out with the same 80%? You may be happy that the one improved and sad that the other worsened, but ultimately it's the same product. To me, many posts--even if they intend only to showcase the gladness or disappointment---also come off as saying that one is better than the other.

Or to take a line from above about Keane having always been a "pop"ish band. If a band "sells out" to mainstream from the very start, is that really so much better and acceptable than a band that makes a foray into a pop-ish album 20 years down the road?

Seems like it can make sense....yet it still just seems off to me.
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I'll disagree w/ the premise of this thread and say that yes, RHCP have some clunky lyrics, but I love the MUSIC and Anthony's rhyhming capabilities....sometimes that's what you want, mindless rhyhming schemes.

Stadium Arcadium is phenominal and I'm not ashamed to admit that.

But to each his/her own.


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But when the same words are used to characterize (or criticize) the music of both bands----"daring," "experimental," etc.---it's almost hard to say that one isn't really comparing the two bands on some level. To me, other than the bass lines, most of RHCP isn't "daring," nor really "edgy," etc.
First of all, I have never seen anybody use words like 'daring' and 'experimental' to describe anything to do with RHCP! Nor have I personally ever used it. Where are you getting this?

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I think it's fine if one wants to argue that U2 have taken a step down from where one believes they may have been. However, I don't think the level they're at now is any lower than the level where oft-praised bands lie.

As evidenced by just about everything but their rhythm section, RCHP only occasionally delivers a complete package. When a band like U2 only delivers half a package, they get railed on because we're used to getting more from them. But when a band that only occasionally gives you the full thing comes out with half a package, they're praised. Is it that you don't expect as much?
Secondly, this is a good question you have raised which I'd like to attempt an answer for. Don't know if I've got this figured out so I'll give 3 possible takes or cases.

CASE I

Ever since Blood Sugar Sex Magik in 1991, the RHCP have been pretty consistent with their output, whether you think they've been really good, good, okay or bad. Now some may argue that One Hot Minute was worse than anything else but I'm not in a position to comment on that since I haven't heard the entire album. Nor have I listened to the entirety of By The Way but I think I understand the general picture of their consistency in quality from album to album. These are guys that do what they do best and I think they're pretty good at it. They're not chameleons, they hardly ever make drastic changes. Sure, their earlier material was way more funky and now they've somewhat mellowed out. But I don't see it as that drastic of a change. So, in all probability if you liked Blood Sugar Sex Magik, you'd also like Californication, By The Way and Stadium Arcadium.. for the most part. Cos they all sound quite similar, at least to my ears.

On the other hand, U2 have always been chameleons. They make drastic changes in sound, image, concept.. that's what defines U2 as they've always been. So you never know what to expect from them and they often set themselves up for disappointment. So here, if you liked The Joshua Tree, there's no guarantee you'll like Achtung Baby or Zooropa. And if you liked Pop, there's no guarantee you'll like ATYCLB. Maybe that's why their fan base is so vocal and expect 100% from the band all the time.

CASE II

I can only speak for myself. But I'll just assume that since we're on a U2 message board, we all know U2's music very well. We have all the albums and can think of at least 2 or 3 albums that we consider the best ever, not just by U2 but by any band. For instance, I consider The Joshua Tree, Achtung Baby and Pop to be 3 of the greatest albums ever by anyone. Anyway, so what I'm trying to say is we hold them on such a high pedestal. Personally I don't hold RHCP or Radiohead on that same high pedestal. We expect so much from U2. And when we find flaws on their albums we freak out and discuss them to death. Flaws that may have gone un-noticed on an RHCP album or a Radiohead album for the simple fact that we're not as big fans of those bands! This is U2 so it gets scrutinized under the fine lens of the fan microscope. Every single thing has to be perfect... the music, the lyrics, the album artwork, the production, the attitude, the themes, the concept.. Whereas I doubt if you guys spend so much time discussing new albums of bands you like but you're not crazy about. It's U2 so it must be the best! It must be able to stand alongside their other genius albums! Maybe this mentality is setting us up for disappointment.

CASE III

All of that is bullshit. You can never define how you feel about music. There is no hypocracy here. You may feel U2 sold out by making pop music but may still like the melodic tunes of Keane. Because that's just what your instincts tell you! You cannot control it. You cannot explain it. There's just something to Album A that makes you want to listen to it over and over again. And there's just something to Album B that makes you want to cringe everytime you give it a spin. It's unexplainable and probably a waste of time discussing on a message board.


So yeah, not sure which case it is. Leaning towards CASE I. What do you guys think?
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The Chili Peppers are absolutly amazing. I saw them live last month and it was the best concert i have ever been to. They rocked so hard. The chemistry between flea,frusciante and smith is unbelivable. I think that Frusciante is more talented than the edge and writes better riffs.
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I think all are very good points, Zoots. I just don't get this mindset where one or more of U2's eras represent a failing on the part of the band, to people who don't like that particular era. Their albums and live shows consistently sell no matter what era, so they're obviously speaking to some segment of their fanbase, and they continue to bring in new fans all the time. Why can't people just accept that this is personal preference of some eras over others, and not some weakening of quality on the part of the band? I guess I'll never understand fans who think that way.
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They pretty much bore me&i used to like them but now, it all sounds so the same! i even end up switching the radio when they're on!
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isn't it all about personal preference?
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isn't it all about personal preference?
No.

If you don't like the same music as someone else, there is something wrong with you.

Let the gods of elitism rain down and light up our lives.
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Yeah, 'Tell Me Baby' isn't very good at all.

The thing about RHCP is that while I like them and while they've written some decent tunes, they're not godly in any way shape or form. The guy who lives next door to me absolutely worships them, and I don't consider them anything special enough to worship. After awhile, all of their songs sound the same. I know that's a cliche criticism, but it's pretty true in some cases. This is, of course, all my opinion, but I just feel like they get a lot more credit than they deserve.
I generally agree with this. Stadium Arcadium honestly didn't do a lot for me. I listened through it a few times and have no desire to go back to it. Just sort of sounds like inferior versions of songs of theirs I've heard before, to be honest.

Usually I agree that while Anthony's not a terrific lyricist, he has decent rhymes that compliment the music pretty well. But when there are lines that are so consistantly laughable and embarrassing, to the point that it detracts from the music...I have a hard time just ignoring it. U2 has songs like that too, tons of bands do. Maybe I'm just too picky.

I'd rather listen to John Frusciante's solo stuff these days.
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Wait, Lila, don't you have the Chili Peppers on speed dial?

can't you tell them they suck ass?
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Wait, Lila, don't you have the Chili Peppers on speed dial?

can't you tell them they suck ass?


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There's no need to compare Stadium Arcadium and How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb. They're both really enjoyable in their own way.
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I agree. Though my husband just walked by me and said they both sucked
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