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Old 04-07-2008, 08:35 PM   #106
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they're not perfect but they're still pushing the envelope.
I love Radiohead, but it's fans like yourself that help in the hype department because you honestly think they are "pushing the envelope".

RH pushed the envelope with Kid A. They slid the envelope slightly with Amnisiac, but since then they are just writing some good tunes in their style.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:38 PM   #107
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The pay-what-you-want download of In Rainbows was definitely a big push of the envelope.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:45 PM   #108
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The pay-what-you-want download of In Rainbows was definitely a big push of the envelope.
Yeah, I actually think this has really been blown out of proportion as well, indie bands have been giving out their music from their website for years now... And technically they were an Indie band at the time, they just happen to the biggest Indie band at the time.
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And when I say "pushing the envelope" I mean that they're still trying new things. In Rainbows may sound a bit more familiar, but there's only so far you can go before you're completely unrecognizable and lose whatever unique assets the band had in the first place.

As I said, they scaled back this time, and made something pretty accessible, and yet we still have jokers coming on here and saying they're making music for critics. What the fuck is that? Like the band cares about that stuff.
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Yeah, I actually think this has really been blown out of proportion as well, indie bands have been giving out their music from their website for years now... And technically they were an Indie band at the time, they just happen to the biggest Indie band at the time.
Yeah, unknown bands have been giving their music away because it was sometimes the only way to be heard at all. Completely different than Radiohead giving theirs away.

But the whole concept of what's overrated has always been hard for me to wrap my brain around. The whole argument seems kind of silly.
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Yeah, unknown bands have been giving their music away because it was sometimes the only way to be heard at all. Completely different than Radiohead giving theirs away.
Fair enough...


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But the whole concept of what's overrated has always been hard for me to wrap my brain around. The whole argument seems kind of silly.
I agree, and I definately don't believe they are overrated...
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I agree, and I definately don't believe they are overrated...
Well that's good, seeing as how they're GOD and all.



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I smell a Bono vs. Radiohead thread in EYKIW.
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I kinda agree with BVS to an extent. They haven't really done anything innovative since Kid A. Sure the last two albums are anything but a rehash, but they're certainly a far stretch from "pushing the envelope" so to speak. And even then, Kid A was only a real breakthrough for the type of musical circle Radiohead sort of worked in at the time. Not saying they don't deserve all (or at least most) of the praise their fans give them, but I think they're given too much credit when it comes to expanding the musical language.
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I agree with you to an extent that they didn't do anything already done by U2/Eno on Passengers or Autechre, to name a couple.

Again, what I meant was that they're not writing the same thing over and over again. They continue to try new things on almost every song, and that's certainly continued since Kid A.

As I said before, there's only so far out you can go before you've strayed too far from what made you good in the first place. You may not like In Rainbows, but it's still not a "safe" album by anyone else's standards, and shouldn't be considered one by theirs, either.
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Agreed on all counts.
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Cool. Let's lock this shit now.
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Calm down, bigot.
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Is that making LP3?
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