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Old 06-30-2008, 05:27 PM   #406
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There was actually a discussion about this a few months ago. It has everything to do with the head of Rolling Stone and the people he hires having a major bias against progressive music.
Jan Wenner, I believe. Big time asshole.
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Ok, I gotta get out of here for a while.
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I personally think the Sex Pistols suck. Objectively and subjectively. The Clash were probably the most talented punk group of their era (besides some CBGBs bands like Television that were influenced by this punk sound and were absolutely unreal), and The Ramones, while nothing special objectively, are a lot of fun. Punk isn't really my thing, but the latter two deserve the accolades.

Of course, so do Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, and countless other prog rock groups that are spit on these days.
i totally agree with this. the sex pistols are like the boy band of punk to me. they didn't pioneer anything, they just lucked out and got popular. had they not used such shock tactics and shit, they wouldn't be remembered at all. oh well.
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As I said, the great prog rock bands most definitely should get the same recognition. Absolutely. I get very frustrated when the likes of Yes can't get into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, no matter how much of a joke it is.

Doesn't mean that punk doesn't deserve any, though.
I don't see the contribution to music that punk artists made.
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I don't see the contribution to music that punk artists made.
Accessibility is everything. Bands like the Ramones and the artists that they were contemporaries with may not have been genius musicians, but they put the power back into the hands of the everyman, and that's a big deal. Myspace is doing the same thing today. It doesn't mean the music is all great, but it's still something that should be applauded.
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I find the deconstruction of punk to be the more important moment in music. Having artists like The Police, U2, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Cure and others take the punk energy but do something creative with it started something really new.
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I find the deconstruction of punk to be the more important moment in music. Having artists like The Police, U2, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Cure and others take the punk energy but do something creative with it started something really new.
But where would those artists be without punk's existence in the first place?

There's your answer.
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Accessibility is everything. Bands like the Ramones and the artists that they were contemporaries with may not have been genius musicians, but they put the power back into the hands of the everyman, and that's a big deal. Myspace is doing the same thing today. It doesn't mean the music is all great, but it's still something that should be applauded.
I agree with that but musically they didn't add anything.
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But where would those artists be without punk's existence in the first place?

There's your answer.
It was a rebellion against punk. Just as some artists rebel against sluty female pop. That doesn't mean sluty female pop was important just that it was terrible.
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It was a rebellion against punk.
No, it wasn't. Read U2 By U2 sometime; they thought punk was just fine and dandy.
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No, it wasn't. Read U2 By U2 sometime; they thought punk was just fine and dandy.
I mean rebellion in the sense that they broke all the rules and their creativity created something new. They created a whole new sound by going against the punk mold. They escaped to other genres and sounds.
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I mean rebellion in the sense that they broke all the rules and their creativity created something new. They created a whole new sound by going against the punk mold. They escaped to other genres and sounds.
Again, I think your interpretation insinuates more negativity towards punk than necessary, but I get where you're coming from. I think you had it right the first time; they took the punk energy and attitude they were familiar with, but slowed things down and wrote about less incendiary topics, creating a new and interesting sound.
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We'll agree to disagree about punk's impact on music.
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I don't think we're all that far off on this one. I can appreciate the impact, but not so much the music itself.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:10 PM   #420
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LemonMelon, when you do shows with your band do you plan on doing some improvising like between songs just jam?
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