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Old 11-19-2006, 04:21 PM   #91
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JD Drew and Carlos Lee must love to see Soriano get this kind of deal. Talk about setting the market, wow.
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JD Drew and Carlos Lee must love to see Soriano get this kind of deal. Talk about setting the market, wow.
$136m/8 years for a guy who will be 31 when next year starts. The Cubs are really going to be hurting financially 4 years from now.
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$17m a year.

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He likes the leadoff spot and there is none better," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said in an interview with WGN Radio. He called Soriano "a young man who can get on base and steal some bases and hit the ball for extra base power and hit it for a homer. We are talking about the best leadoff hitter in all of baseball."
and a young man who struck out 160 times last year vs. 41 walks.

best leadoff hitter in baseball? ummmmm no. soriano may be a better player, based on the power numbers (even then it's arguable) buuuut i'll take the 7 Train, thank you very much



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Old 11-20-2006, 08:32 AM   #95
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At $17 million a year, he better be hitting 3rd or 4th in my lineup and producing numbers like :.300 Avg, 40 HR, 130 RBI and 100 runs just for starters.
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alfonso soriano is the king of the solo homerun.

if that's what it was gonna take to sign him, i am very glad the mets showed little to no interest.
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Old 11-20-2006, 08:39 AM   #97
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a young man who can get on base and steal some bases
wow there is so much wrong in this statement alone its hilarious...

young man? he is going to be 31 when the season starts. 8 year deal means he will by 39 when its all over. all contracts of this length have gone to players in their mid 20's, not when they are 31.

get on base? he's got a .325 career OBP. his OBP last year was 27th out of the top 36 OF's. for a Cubs team who's main flaw is OBP sticking him at the top of the lineup isn't the best idea.

steal some bases? ok he stole 41 bases last year. but he was also caught 17 TIMES. that's a 71% success rate. there's an old adage in baseball that if you are less than 75% then you are better off not going at all. so he's stolen base attempts were actually hurting the team more than helping.

anyway, im not saying Soriano isn't a good player who won't be able to help the Cubs, he will. but when you hand out this kind of cash you need to be sure he is one of the best players in the game, and he really isnt. a few years down the line this contract is going to be a huge albatross.
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with the money the cubs gave ramirez as well, what's left for pitching?

sure the mets won 97 games with at best mediocre starting pitching, but they had a great bullpen. and the cards won the world series with mediocre pitching... but their pitching only won them 83 games in the regular season, and then they just happened to get hot at the right time.

last i checked the cubs have zambrano and a bunch of bums.
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Why would you even think of putting Soriano as you're leadoff hitter? Why?
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I highly doubt that Soriano will be with the Cubs for the duration of this contract. I mean he could have a few monster seasons with the Cubbies, but when the Cubbies still keep losing look for them to trade him. This move reminds me of the A-rod deal with Texas after the 2000 season. Except, Arod is better and Texas willingly overpaid for him. Arod had three monster seasons, but the Rangers still weren't winning. So the Yankees came along and snagged him away.
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So the Yankees came along and snagged him away.
And he's brought glory back to the Bronx.
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Why would you even think of putting Soriano as you're leadoff hitter? Why?
As soon as he refines his technique for stealing first base, he'll be unstoppable.
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I don't know what to think of this yet.

The organization must really still believe in Mark Prior and I guess must also think Hill, Guzman(AAA) and Marshall are going to be good. I did hear they wanted to bolster their rotation though. Hmm, how will we do that?

As far as the leadoff hitter goes. Hmm, a leadoff hitter with 180 k's? We're used to that. (See Corey Patterson).
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As soon as he refines his technique for stealing first base, he'll be unstoppable.
haha... i had some logical response to your post all types out, but then i realized you said "stealing first base."
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Howard wins the MVP

Pujols had better overall offensive numbers and his team made the playoffs, he got screwed. But I'm sure he is happy with his WS ring.

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It's fairly obvious that Albert Pujols was the best player in the National League in 2006. Despite playing in the pitcher-friendlier ballpark, he finished with higher on-base and slugging percentages than Howard. Pujols' performance in clutch situations was significantly better than Howard's. Pujols is, though not a fast baserunner, one of the very best-running first basemen in the majors; Howard is among the very worst (source: the new Bill James Handbook, which admittedly hadn't been published when the MVP voters submitted their ballots). Pujols is, by most accounts, a good defensive player; Howard is, by most accounts, close to worthless anywhere but in the batter's box (and off the field, where by all accounts he's a lovely fellow).


So here you have two players who play the same position, and one is, by most empirical methods, the better (more valuable) hitter, the better (more valuable) fielder, and the better (more valuable) runner.
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