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Old 12-11-2006, 03:20 PM   #391
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never in a million years. the mlb players union is too strong. they won't allow it.
But there's no way that they will be able to handle the contracts much past this point, so something's gotta give.

I can't think of another way out.
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never in a million years. the mlb players union is too strong. they won't allow it.

Completely agree. This is the same union that was willing to sacrifice the World Series. You don't mess with the MLBPA's money.

I think this year and possible the next couple years could have crazy money being spent, but then calm down again when the "bills become due" so to speak. The money will again return to a less crazy state for a couple years while teams try to recoup their money. It's a cyclical thing - which won't change anytime soon unless something catastrophic happens like multiple teams going bankrupt.
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My 2 cents worth:

1) I'd rather have Pettitte than Marquis or Suppan or Lilly, $$$ aside. My only worry with Pettitte is his health. He pitched 210 innings + the past 2 years, so, hopefully that trend can continue. I'll take a guy with an 18-6 post-season record any day, and a 4.08 post-season ERA might not be stellar, but, he wins big games (yeah, he loses some too). Simply would rather overpay for him than overpay for the others. We'll see how it works out....I just know I'm happy to have him back in the fold, even if it's for the one year. And, remember, part of that 16mill is buying the right to negotiate with Clemens on stronger terms than last year.

2) There's not going to be any hard salary cap in MLB. Not today, not tomorrow and as Headache says, not in a million years. As Randhail says, it's cyclical....things should calm down in a year or two...then a few years after that, you'll have another off-season like this one.

3) I have not read all the posts in this thread, so, not sure if there was a reaction to Carlos Lee's deal. To me, that's the worst deal of the bunch. Had the domino effect of Houston losing Pettitte and possibly Clemens, not to mention that they're paying Lee A LOT of $$$, more than he's worth. Not sure if this or the Soriano deal is worse....they're all bad. Schmidt's deal seemed to be the best signing to me. Again, we'll see.

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Schmidt's deal seemed to be the best signing to me. Again, we'll see.

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Scmidt's deal looked the most suspect of all the big signings to me.
16 Mil a year for a pitcher who is already breaking down.


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in the late 90s ya had the a-rod deal for 25 per, jeter and manny got 19 per, kevin brown got his ridiculous contract, mo vaughn... mo friggin vaughn... was getting 19 per... nomar passed up a 16 per deal because he thought he was getting low balled. denny nagle got like 10 million a year from colorado, and mike hampton got a 100+ million dollar contract from the rockies, too

the owners all spent this ridculous money, overpaying when they didn't need to... why? why not. then they all realized that they spent waaaaay too much money and spent the next few years trying to dump salary, and low balling free agents. let's remember that vlad guerrero wasn't worth 70 million gauranteed to the mets just a few years ago... i'm sure today they'd consider it a bargin.

attendance has been up, revenue sharing has put 100s of millions of dollars into the pockets of small market teams, and now, instead of learning their lessons and being fiscaly responsible, they're spending like college students with their first credit cards. and in a few years when the debt comes in, they'll cut back again, dump all these ridiculous contracts to the big market teams, complain about how they can't compete and then start low balling salaries again.

it's a wonderfuly fucked up circle.

a salary cap combined with a salary minimum would be great for the game... but it'll never happen. no one's ever broken the MLBPA. they're considered by most experts to be the strongest union in america that isn't affiliated with the AFL-CIO. there isn't a union in the world with the amount of wealth that the MLBPA has. the only team they've ever lost anything was when congress threatened to step in regarding the steroid issue, and i highly doubt congress will step in to implement a salary cap.
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Lee is way overpaid, he's pretty one dimensional. But, having said that, playing 81 games w/ that short porch in left field, he'll hit some pop ups and homer. I think if healthy, he's a lock for 40+ dingers
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Texas signed Gagne.....1 yr, 8 million
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i heard texas also traded for iverson
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texas has become a major player in recent years trying to get big time free agents.
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As far as these bloated contracts to mediocre, the owners only have themselves to blame. The Texas Rangers are a joke of a franchise! If they cared about winning, they'd still have A-rod! They'd also still have Showalter as manager. He and A-rod didn't get along, but Texas should have given it a shot. Their fans deserve better.
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i used to say they shouldn't have signed a-rod and instead used that money on multiple players, but after seeing the "multiple players' they're signing this off-season, i'm not so sure about that theory anymore.

and firing showalter was not a bad move... it assures them as being the odds on karma favorites to win the world series.
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that's kind of like the NBA fluke thing.

Up until like 3-4 years ago, like 10 consecutive NBA champs had either Robert Horry or Steve Kerr

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If they cared about winning, they'd still have A-rod!
Arod and winning - there's something you don't hear many people talk about.
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Definitely not in the same sentence.
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The Texas Rangers are a joke of a franchise! If they cared about winning, they'd still have A-rod!
Which is why the team has got better since he was traded.

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# 2001 73-89 .451 4th in AL West
# 2002 72-90 .444 4th in AL West
# 2003 71-91 .438 4th in AL West
# 2004 89-73 .549 3rd in AL West
# 2005 79-83 .488 3rd in AL West
# 2006 80-82 .494 3rd in AL West
The first three are the years of the Alex Era. The team has been well over or hovering near .500 since. While nothing to brag about, it's certainly an improvement and a hell of a lot better than finishing in the cellar each year. Playing in a division with two of the AL's best doesn't help their cause.



In any case, I don't know about some of these signings, but I'll support the team through thick and thin. I think Jon Daniels is going to be a good GM for years to come and I like that he has the balls to make moves. In the long run, I hope he can offset Tom Hicks' unmitigated douchebaggery.


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