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Old 11-27-2006, 08:11 PM   #196
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The article mentions the Giants, something the San Francisco Chronicle alluded to this past weekend as well.

I don't know what they would have to offer other than prospects, though.

The Manny Ramirez are picking up momentum, reports ESPN.com, with one major league official saying he "wouldn't be shocked if the Red Sox traded him by Saturday,"

We would be. It's still hard to imagine the Giants as a serious contender for Ramirez, and the Angels and Mets aren't expected to be involved after already picking up outfielders this winter. The Dodgers are the one suitor that makes a lot of sense, as they have the money and plenty to give up in return. The Rangers and Padres are other possible fits, but it's doubtful Texas would surrender Michael Young and San Diego can't value him as highly as other teams because he'd be such a liability in Petco's spacious outfield.

that from rotoworld.com. I doubt manny gets moved.
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but won with the 2006 overachieving World Series Champion Cards instead.

yes always necessary to take a dig at the world champion cardinals. i guess i would rather overachieve and win the world series rather than underachieve and fail.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:21 PM   #198
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Phils sign Adam Eaton as fifth starter for 3 years, 24 million ???
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:03 AM   #199
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To whom and to where?
reports are still saying SF Giants

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Danys Baez - 3 years $19 million
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david ortiz must be shaking in his booties at the prospect of manny ramirez being replaced by JD Drew.

goodbye good pitches... hello intentional walks.
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david ortiz must be shaking in his booties at the prospect of manny ramirez being replaced by JD Drew.

goodbye good pitches... hello intentional walks.
you'd have to assume that Theo has a plan in the works to get a bat. However, no one is as badass as Manny (except for maybe 1 or 2 other hitters)
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unless theo's planning on swinging a deal for albert pujols, david ortiz will never see a good pitch again.
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I see a lot of solo home runs, a lot of walks, and less RBI, a la Barry Bonds.
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Put me down on the record as very much against trading Money Ramirez.
His salary for his production looks like a bargain this offseason when compared with what the likes of Alfonso K. Soriano and Carlos Lee have gotten and the rumors about what J.D. Drew might get.
In fact, I'd pick up Manny's 2009 option right now to make him (and more importantly his wife) happier.

If the Red Sox trade him they better:
A. Not pick up one iota of his salary
B. Get 2 proven major leaguers and 1 top level prospect, or vice versa.
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Clarification: To overachieve is good. The Cards were 83-79 this year in the regular season. They played beyond themselves to win. That's no dig at the Cards. In 2004, they has 105 regular season wins and got their asses whipped by the BoSox in the Series. They underachieved there.
When someone says a team overachieved, they're are just saying that that team played beyond themselves.
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Which reminds me... The HOF ballots were announced. Look for Gwynn, Ripken and Big Mac to get in.
Zero chance McGwire gets in on the first ballot.
Getting in at all is iffy, but no way he gets in this year.

Gwynn and Ripken will be the only enshrinements from this ballot.
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if the writers leave him out on the first ballot as a punishment of sorts, fine.

but if he doesn't get the 5% neccesary to stay on the ballot so that he can get elected next year it's a friggin joke. mark mcgwire broke no rules of baseball. baseball had no rules in place at the time banning whatever substances he used. it's their own damned fault, not his.

for the same baseball writers who fawned all over mcgwire in '98 when most of them knew something was up, and then to now hold it against him... well that's just hypocrisy at the highest level, and a shame. put the man in cooperstown... god knows there's tons of guys arleady in there who have done things far worse than sticking a needle in their butt.
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Not thrilled about the idea of trading Santana, but the Angels need to shake up the lineup, so I guess I wouldn't be crushed if this trade happened... (although I am concerned about Crede's back problems)


Angels discussing trade with White Sox

Chicago would ship third baseman Crede and veteran pitcher Garcia for infielder-outfielder Figgins and young right-hander Santana.

By Bill Shaikin, Times Staff Writer
November 28, 2006

In a deal that would fill the Angels' need for a power hitter but that would come with a steep price, the Angels and Chicago White Sox have discussed a trade that would send infielder-outfielder Chone Figgins and pitcher Ervin Santana to Chicago for third baseman Joe Crede and pitcher Freddy Garcia, baseball sources said Monday. The sources said no trade was imminent and other players probably would be included in any deal should negotiations progress.

Crede, 28, hit .283 last season with 30 home runs, more than any Angel except Vladimir Guerrero. He has played for more than a year with two herniated disks in his lower back and has opted for a rehabilitation program rather than surgery this off-season. Figgins, the Angels' center fielder and leadoff hitter last season, lost both jobs when the team signed free-agent Gary Matthews Jr. last week. Figgins is listed as the Angels' third baseman.

The White Sox have top prospect Josh Fields ready to play third base and could replace Garcia with Santana, a younger pitcher with a less-expensive contract. With Garcia owed $10 million next season and Crede expected to make about $5 million in arbitration, the Angels would add about $11 million to their payroll next season. Figgins is signed at $3.5 million; Santana figures to make about $500,000.

Garcia, 30, was 17-9 with a 4.53 earned-run average in 2006. He is eligible for free agency after next season.

Angels General Manager Bill Stoneman remains uncomfortable trading young pitchers. Santana, 23, led the team in victories, going 16-8 with a 4.28 ERA in his first full season. The Angels and White Sox discussed a possible trade at the general managers' meetings three weeks ago, but Stoneman indicated after the subsequent signing of Matthews that he would be reluctant to trade Santana or reliever Scot Shields, even if trading either could bring a power hitter.
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the angels would be getting fleeced in that deal.
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agreed... that is an awful trade for the angels and an absolute steal for the angels
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