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Old 05-25-2003, 01:17 AM   #241
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ouch, cant take the heat, gotta run off to bed

i think we know what that means

Chizip wins again!!!!
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will the two of you just go ahead and make out already.
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Old 05-25-2003, 01:25 AM   #243
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that is very big of you chiz
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Old 05-25-2003, 02:58 AM   #245
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Well I've been reading some of the arguments that you guys have posted... and frankly, I don't know why you're arguing. Neither of you have watched the Eastern Conference with much interest in the past few years... so how can you judge this "mythical experience factor"?

Ottawa has had a lot of experience, it's just that they've run into Toronto or New Jersey the past few years... the best 2 Eastern playoff teams (as of the last half decade). So, by playing the best teams you would think they could develop character... maybe even a playoff identity. But, the same thing held true this year... they tanked "when it mattered". That is a reflection of heart, like chizip says, which is only derived through character-building events... like winning a tight series. The OTT/NJ series didn't come down to luck or one play... the fact of the matter remains that it was Ottawa's series to take. They lacked that "killer instinct" that inhibited them from eliminating Toronto last year as well. In my opinion they're afraid to win... because I simply have no better explanation.

If you're wondering why Anaheim is winning without a lot of experience, then you're a fool. The Ducks have a lot of experience in the playoffs individually (Steve Thomas, Adam Oates, etc)... it's just that this is the first time they have won collectively. Plus, the surprise and underdog factor has been on their side from the beginning.

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Cujo, I can accept most of what you say here, but just last night you said it could have been anyone's game, but more importantly you said Ottawa played "valiantly" and that it really came down to New Jersey's stingy defence. Did you change your mind since last night?
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Cujo, I can accept most of what you say here, but just last night you said it could have been anyone's game, but more importantly you said Ottawa gave a "valiant effort" and that it really came down to New Jersey's stingy defence. Did you change your mind since last night?
No I didn't... if you notice I said it was Ottawa's series to win. But, when you don't go the extra mile to get to the net, finish your forecheck, and maximize your opportunities... a stingy defense like NJ won't give you second chances. They don't make many mistakes, so you have to force them into bad situations. Ottawa did a decent job of this, but in the last few minutes of game 7 when it counted they folded like a lawnchair. It was anyone's game theoretically, but since Ottawa couldn't tie it up...
then their valiant effort to come back was in vain.

I think I've been pretty consistent with the things I've said... the key being that you create your own luck, and luck is something that winning teams have. A virtue that they often achieve through experience.
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Just to add, I really don't think in such a close game as that, with both teams playing at such a high level, and so tightly, that the game would come down to who was going to "tank". Teams that tank don't come back from a 3-1 deficit and win two games in OT in a series. Teams that tank don't keep the pressure on the entire game, go down by a goal, only to tie it up again in the 3rd period. No, this Ottawa team was a *lot* different than those in past seasons. This team lost not because they tanked, but because of one mental error. Eveyone pretty much knows that, if they watched the entire game and series.
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No I didn't... if you notice I said it was Ottawa's series to win. But, when you don't go the extra mile to get to the net, finish your forecheck, and maximize your opportunities... a stingy defense like NJ won't give you second chances. They don't make many mistakes, so you have to force them into bad situations. Ottawa did a decent job of this, but in the last few minutes of game 7 when it counted they folded like a lawnchair. It was anyone's game theoretically, but since Ottawa couldn't tie it up...
then their valiant effort to come back was in vain.

I think I've been pretty consistent with the things I've said... the key being that you create your own luck, and luck is something that winning teams have. A virtue that they often achieve through experience.
I thought they went that extra mile quite a few times in the last 7 minutes when it counted most, but Brodeur stoned them each time. Those are the breaks, though.
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They tanked because they lost in the last few minutes... there are various meanings of the word tank.

Being swept in a series, or blowing it in the final minutes is tanking in my book.

And, if you had been watching Ottawa in the past few seasons, YOU would know that this is the same team that has lost every year. Trust me, I watched this series and every single Battle of Ontario... I know this team, that's why I said they would tank... and that's what happened.

PS- I was mostly trying to be nice in my post about Ottawa having a valiant effort... I didn't want to rub in the fact that they lost, but since you persist on the subject I felt it necessary to respond a little more crudely.
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I thought they went that extra mile quite a few times in the last 7 minutes when it counted most, but Brodeur stoned them each time. Those are the breaks, though.
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Not Brodeur.. can't you see?

He's a good goalie for sure, but the difference in the last few minutes was the inability of Ottawa to get chances down low (a product of NJ's collapsing defensive system). Point shots are a long shot, especially if no one is in front of the net to shake things up.
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I respect your opinion Michael, and I'm sorry if you think that I'm trying to suppress yours... that's not my intention. I'm merely trying to defend my arguments and my points.
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Hey, no worries Cujo...although in re: to the "valient" effort comment you made last night, I do prefer honesty over "nice". I like "nice" but only if it's honest. Anyway, I know you probably don't want to hear this, but I think you're a little biased on this one. The Sens didn't tank anymore than NJ would have if they didn't get the break at the end. In the last few minutes of the game, Ottawa was the team pouring on the pressure, not NJ. Ottawa was the team who was causing turnovers and mistakes. They were the team "going that extra mile" as you say. They may have not gotten to Brodeur on every shot, but they were the ones with the pressure. It came down to one split second play, and that hardly defines the word "tank" in my books. Anyway, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. Maybe we're both on to something, lol
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Of course I'm biased... I hate New Jersey, and I hate Ottawa. But doesn't that give me the perfect vantage point for analysis? Seeing as I don't favor one over the other...

NJ does have that "it" factor that makes them win... and OTT has that "it" factor that makes them lose. I've seen it develop in both teams... where does bias play a role in it?

PS- I do not agree to disagree... you play for the other team Michael.
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I guess I don't see the "it" factor of losing which Ottawa has "cultivated", if you will, because I haven't been cheering against them for the past few seasons like you have been. You're a Leafs fan, so really, the inherent bias makes sense. I also don't want to see it that way because my Canucks are very much in the same boat as Ottawa. Vancouver has always had bad luck in the playoffs, and everyone calls them "chokers" just like Ottawa. I prefer to see the Canucks as a young team who are still learning. To give in and say they'll never win 'cause they're chokers is taking the easy way out, IMO.
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