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Old 05-25-2003, 12:20 AM   #226
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How can I take a face like that serioulsy? But come on, Chiz, even you must now admit that in order to come back from 3 games to 1 against a team like the Devils (who have Brodeur and the stingiest defensive system in the NHL), it's got to take some heart to get to the 18 minute mark of the 3rd period of the 7th game, tied, no? They played their hearts out for the last 3 games, and, really, it all came down to a lucky bounce (NJ's first goal went in off a defenseman's skate), so you can harldy say they have no heart. Even the biggest naysayers (Leaf fans and the Toronto media) are giving them credit. But to each his own I guess.

By the way, did you see the difference between the fan involvmment in Ottawa compared to NJ? Hey, a Canadian team actually can fill their building for every playoff game!!! Half the arena was empty for game 6 in NJ (and it was still half full with Sens fans!). Talk about sad.
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Old 05-25-2003, 12:24 AM   #227
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ottawa has much more talent that new jersey

so what was the difference?

heart and desire

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Old 05-25-2003, 12:30 AM   #228
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ottawa has much more talent that new jersey

so what was the difference?

much more experience and a better defensive system

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Old 05-25-2003, 12:34 AM   #229
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ottawa had all the momentum going into game 7, they were playing at home, they got the lead, joe nieuwendyk was out with an inury, everything was looking ottawa's way, but new jersey reched down into the cockles of their hearts and somehow dug out a well earned victory. more heart and guts, thats all there is to it, case closed.
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Old 05-25-2003, 12:36 AM   #230
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and the experience excuse is piss poor. ottawa had plenty of opportunities to get experience the past few years but flushed their chances down the toilet. they have no one to blame for that but themselves.
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Old 05-25-2003, 12:48 AM   #232
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Re: your last three posts...

1st post:

NJ caught a lucky break becuase Ottawa made a mental error. Karel Rachunek took the wrong man, ending up taking the same man that Redden was taking. This left Friesen unattended. It was a pure mental error that happened in the heat of the action. That's not about heart. Sorry, you don't have a case on that one.

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Your post is using circular reasoning. Here's your basic argument (from your perspecitve):

1. Ottawa could use the lack of experience factor if they didn't have much

2. Ottawa had plenty of opportunity to gain experience, but they blew it each time

2. Ottawa can't use the lack of experience factor because they should have had some by now

3. Therefore, it is their fault for not having any experience

Conclusion: Therefore, forget my first premise. I've decided to backpedal.

LMFAO!!!
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experience is soooooo important too huh?

lets see, the ducks beat the defending champs, and a recent champ in their first time in the playoffs

i guess anaheim just has more heart than ottawa to overcome the lack of experience
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We weren't talking about the factors of the Ducks' series, were we? No, that's right, we were talking about the Devils/Sens series, yes. Every series has many different factors in determining the final outcome. I simply gave you the explanation behind the Sens/Devils one, nothing more. As for the Ducks, that's for another thread, but I'd be happy to analyze them, too, if you like.

I see you didn't counter any of my points from my last post, so I'll consider the case closed LMAO
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i just debunked the myth the experience is a big factor, so that argument is bogus

and a better defensive system?

well that doesnt help when you are losing on the road in a game 7

you need heart to pull it out, and they did

so ha

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i think it's pretty clear i won this arguement, ill mark it up on the board

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You didn't counter my point that your argument as to why the Sens couldn't use the experience factor as an "excuse" was full of holes and circular. I guess that's because it's as plain as day that it was. Also, you changed your tune, initially saying that experience could be a factor (but not for the Sens you said) to saying that experience doesn't matter at all. You change directions faster than Mike Milbury!!! Ah, but that's what we've come to expect from you Chizer.

And, no, you did not debunk any "myth" that experience is a big factor. Ask any coach, any GM, any player, and they will all tell you how *big* a factor experience is. Why do you think teams constantly want to add as much experience to their linup as possible before the trading deadline? The Ducks are riddled with experienced vets, but you've failed to mention that. Who do you think knows more about this subject -- you, or NHL players and coaches? I'm thinkin' I'm sticking to the guys who do it for a living, myself
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and who does ottawa have to blame for lack of experience? themselves

ha

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Ps. I'm going to bed. Have fun countering that, lol
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