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Old 05-17-2008, 12:36 AM   #331
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Do hippies fit anywhere into this theory?
If you want to stretch it back earlier than the 1990s.
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Depends what you're looking for in a leader, really. Anybody who thinks Obama and Ron Paul aren't inextricably tied to the system is deluding themselves.
Screwy isn't wrong, people do want a leader, but you are definitely correct on this point. Particularly Obama. I support him, but I realize he's not really that much different than any other politician that's come down the pipe in the last 20 years.
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So, on a different note, I'm re-listening to Bowie's Station To Station as I don't really know how I'd rank its songs beyond the title track at #1, and I'd like to keep voting on Survivor.
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So, on a different note, I'm re-listening to Bowie's Station To Station as I don't really know how I'd rank its songs beyond the title track at #1, and I'd like to keep voting on Survivor.
Just keep voting for Station to Station because it's the one you know.
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Depends what you're looking for in a leader, really. Anybody who thinks Obama and Ron Paul aren't inextricably tied to the system is deluding themselves.

Personally, I don't care if someone's inside or outside the system, just as long as they have long-term vision. My political hero is Julius Vogel. My admiration for the man is considerable.
We are all part of the system. I think Obama and Ron Paul are men of ideas. We need more of that.

I agree that long term vision is the goal. Look at Ghandi or MLK. They had long term visions and brought about a revolution. I don't know who Julius Vogel is so educate me.

There is someone out there hiding in the shadows who will be the voice of this generation. They just aren't being heard.
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Screwy isn't wrong, people do want a leader, but you are definitely correct on this point. Particularly Obama. I support him, but I realize he's not really that much different than any other politician that's come down the pipe in the last 20 years.
Yeah, he just has a charismatic edge.

But this is getting away from what we were originally talking about, and in a way it's exactly what I was saying. Protest movements are ignored or ridiculed. People just want to chug along inside the system. They don't want to rally around a movement of activists; they'll flock around a candidate for President and do little more than vote.
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So, on a different note, I'm re-listening to Bowie's Station To Station as I don't really know how I'd rank its songs beyond the title track at #1, and I'd like to keep voting on Survivor.
Have I mentioned in the past that I like this album A LOT?


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Just keep voting for Station to Station because it's the one you know.
It won the first round. So now I've no idea what to vote for since it's gone.
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It won the first round. So now I've no idea what to vote for since it's gone.
Oh, that's right. This is the survivor that's being done arse-about-face, isn't it?
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Yeah, he just has a charismatic edge.

But this is getting away from what we were originally talking about, and in a way it's exactly what I was saying. Protest movements are ignored or ridiculed. People just want to chug along inside the system. They don't want to rally around a movement of activists; they'll flock around a candidate for President and do little more than vote.
Is it because so many protest movements and leaders of them seem to fly off the handle often - they make a concerted effort to appear mis-informed and quick to ignore anything else.
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Yeah, he just has a charismatic edge.

But this is getting away from what we were originally talking about, and in a way it's exactly what I was saying. Protest movements are ignored or ridiculed. People just want to chug along inside the system. They don't want to rally around a movement of activists; they'll flock around a candidate for President and do little more than vote.
And, sadly, I think you're absolutely right. At least, based on recent evidence.

But let's face it, there hasn't really been any widespread movements that had the potential to cause a revolution since the 1960's. Sure, a few protests pop up now and again, but the sense of urgency has been dulled. Why? Well, we did discuss that for a minute there.
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It's actually interesting that there's an increasing backlash against Greenpeace too - or at least at my uni.
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