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Old 05-17-2008, 12:20 AM   #316
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My ego says more Axvers would do an even better job.
Problem is, trains can't replace all transportation. We'll still need boats.



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If I can go off on a tangent here, this generation to me seems to be a spectacular nothing. I think Australian universities are a good illustration of this. Back in the 1960s, they were a hive of activism and social politics and all that stuff. Today, if somebody's handing out pamphlets or giving speeches before lectures about some protest or another, most of us are just rolling our eyes. "Oh, it's the [Socialist Alternative/Young Nationals/Greenies/Pro-Life Crowd/whoever] again, who fucking cares?"
I don't think you can blame young Americans. The protest movements of the 60's failed terribly. The revolution is dead. You have to ask why should I try where one of the greatest generations failed? There aren't young leaders to lead the way. Young Americans want a prophet so bad. They want someone to lead them but no one has stepped up.
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I like where this is going.
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Exactly.


"Just quietly, i agree with you. But you're making an absolute wanker of yourself"
Yeah, I've had shitloads of experiences with that. Last year, lots of changes were made to the structure of degrees at Melbourne Uni and the Socialist Alternative were making a big thing of challenging it. That was well and good, but half of what they said was complete CRAP and they went about it totally the wrong way. I loved when they claimed a quarter of the teaching staff had already been fired ... only for my lecturer to get up and point out that although the relevant department was downsizing, it had made no decision yet on which staff to let go.
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Are you insinuating that this world needs more Screwtape's and less LM's? Because I would be inclined to agree.
One of the main themes in my comics is a sense of responsibility to change the world whether you are a hero or not. I want to inspire people to make a difference because the real heroes of this world say responsibility fall in their lap.
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I like where this is going.
We can suck all of the water off the planet and, using the extra time and energy we have from no longer squabbling over oil, create factories that can rearrange water molecules to create tim-tams. Place railroads over the ocean floors and BAM(!) the ultimate Axver-only universe is born.
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I don't think you can blame young Americans. The protest movements of the 60's failed terribly. The revolution is dead. You have to ask why should I try where one of the greatest generations failed? There aren't young leaders to lead the way. Young Americans want a prophet so bad. They want someone to lead them but no one has stepped up.
I don't think anyone here wants "a prophet" or any other kind of leader. If somebody stood up and tried to get some enthusiasm going, we'd all just roll our eyes at them and tell them to shut up because they look like a wanker.

I think there's this perception that change should now come from within the system, from educated people implementing the right policies, rather than from protest movements, extra-institutional activity, and the like.
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We can suck all of the water off the planet and, using the extra time and energy we have from no longer squabbling over oil, create factories that can rearrange water molecules to create tim-tams. Place railroads over the ocean floors and BAM(!) the ultimate Axver-only universe is born.


Well, that beats my idea of integrated networks of multiple transportation modes. Or just using RORO ships. That is, roll-on roll-off, where trains can run directly onto and off a ship. They're used in New Zealand to link the North and South Island railway networks. A heavy freight train can get from Auckland to Christchurch in under 24 hours.
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I think there's this perception that change should now come from within the system, from educated people implementing the right policies, rather than from protest movements, extra-institutional activity, and the like.
Basically, we've passed the buck due to laziness and our own self-loathing. I blame grunge music.
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Basically, we've passed the buck due to laziness and our own self-loathing. I blame grunge music.
And Bono.
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I don't think anyone here wants "a prophet" or any other kind of leader. If somebody stood up and tried to get some enthusiasm going, we'd all just roll our eyes at them and tell them to shut up because they look like a wanker.

I think there's this perception that change should now come from within the system, from educated people implementing the right policies, rather than from protest movements, extra-institutional activity, and the like.
I honestly think you are wrong. Look at the popularity of Obama or Ron Paul. People want a leader. They want a new voice. At least in America that is the case.

Those aren't the voices of young America though. They need someone to stand up and lead. Somewhere a boy or girl is dreaming and one day they will be that voice. What we have to do is allow their voices to be heard.
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Basically, we've passed the buck due to laziness and our own self-loathing. I blame grunge music.
I think I'd rather blame recent failures of protest movements (e.g. Iraq) and a history of governments not acting no matter how we respond (e.g. no intervention in recent genocides).
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I think I'd rather blame recent failures of protest movements (e.g. Iraq) and a history of governments not acting no matter how we respond (e.g. no intervention in recent genocides).
Do hippies fit anywhere into this theory?
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I honestly think you are wrong. Look at the popularity of Obama or Ron Paul. People want a leader. They want a new voice. At least in America that is the case.

Those aren't the voices of young America though. They need someone to stand up and lead. Somewhere a boy or girl is dreaming and one day they will be that voice. What we have to do is allow their voices to be heard.
Depends what you're looking for in a leader, really. Anybody who thinks Obama and Ron Paul aren't inextricably tied to the system is deluding themselves.

Personally, I don't care if someone's inside or outside the system, just as long as they have long-term vision. My political hero is Julius Vogel. My admiration for the man is considerable.
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