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coolian2 said:
I would suppose i'm more in favour of abortions than not, simply because of the horrific abuse inflicted on children here that have been had by people who are in no way fit to be parents, although that links more towards the point Ax made of removing the need for abortions in the first place. Simply because, to take another perspective, is it better to kill the child (i can't believe i'm writing this) before it has to live through years of abuse before being beaten to death?


But this is opening up quite the can of worms. Stop it before it becomes an issue, simply.
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I honestly have no opinion on abortion. I mean it will never be my choice so do I have a right to tell a woman what to do either way?
 
Thanks for that, Ian. Glad I'm still a fair bit behind.

Screwtape2 said:


What's wrong about being one of the top ten posters? :wink:
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I'm cool with top ten. I've been in the top ten ever since I hit about 20,000. But I do not want to be #1.
 
Don't you love it when you're browsing another forum and come across something like this

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Axver said:


:lol: And the hatred of poor people and the sexism and racism ... :wink:

But seriously, you seem keen on Mr Obama. Obama vs McCain, where do you fall?
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As a Republican, I have sworn to help eliminate the middle class by 2048.

With Obama and McCain, the choice is rather easy. McCain is a closet liberal who has claimed that he has little knowledge of economics. It's not really the liberal part that bothers me, it's the constant pandering to either side. Sad. Obama is far more liberal than I can stand, but he's much more pure than McCain and I honestly believe we would see greater change with him in the White House. As for other candidates...we've been discussing Ron Paul, right? I think the man is a nut, but there are a few things we agree on. Not enough for me to vote for him though. Libertarians in general...ehh...

I've always liked Mike Huckabee. He hasn't pulled any pandering bullshit, and we have similar values. He's supposedly going to be McCain's VP...interesting choice.

I see a lot of legitimacy in the argument that "the baby is within the woman's body with the permission of the woman, and this permission can be revoked at any time". However, I can also see a counter-argument that if somebody's survival were dependent on you and you wilfully abandoned them, you would be charged with wilful neglect or manslaughter. So ... I just feel more of that "I don't know what to think!" sensation.

I think I would define life as starting at sentience. I have no real problem with the morning-after pill. At that point, there is no guarantee that what's there is even going to become a viable life. But yeah ... it's such a hard, difficult subject and a total mess all too often. As I've said, I think the best policy by far is to stop the need for abortions in the first place. If nobody wants an abortion, we don't need to have this debate at all.
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And again, we agree. Though the "start of life" thing has never been a deal-breaker for me. There are more pressing issues involved than that IMO. :shrug:
 
coolian2 said:
I would suppose i'm more in favour of abortions than not, simply because of the horrific abuse inflicted on children here that have been had by people who are in no way fit to be parents, although that links more towards the point Ax made of removing the need for abortions in the first place. Simply because, to take another perspective, is it better to kill the child (i can't believe i'm writing this) before it has to live through years of abuse before being beaten to death?


But this is opening up quite the can of worms. Stop it before it becomes an issue, simply.
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Yeah, I can see that. We don't need more children going into loveless lives of abuse. But then I also have a very severe problem with idiots who use abortion as a back-up contraceptive of a sort. Spoilt little idiots using abortion as a "get out of jail free" card to compensate for their own stupidity and inability to practice safe sex irritate me.

This issue really does tear me in two.
 
coolian2 said:
Don't you love it when you're browsing another forum and come across something like this

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:lol:

Hello, Swanston Street. My beloved Z3s ... :drool:
 
Screwtape2 said:


I honestly have no opinion on abortion. I mean it will never be my choice so do I have a right to tell a woman what to do either way?
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I've never entirely bought this. The father plays a role in creating the pregnancy, so he has a vested interest too.

But I personally extremely doubt I would ever end up in a situation where a partner has an unwanted pregnancy, so ... yeah.
 
Axver said:


I've never entirely bought this. The father plays a role in creating the pregnancy, so he has a vested interest too.

But I personally extremely doubt I would ever end up in a situation where a partner has an unwanted pregnancy, so ... yeah.
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I'm not saying men don't have an interest. I just personally think that when I do decide to have sex it will be with someone I care about so we'd keep any baby.
 
LemonMelon said:
As a Republican, I have sworn to help eliminate the middle class by 2048.

With Obama and McCain, the choice is rather easy. McCain is a closet liberal who has claimed that he has little knowledge of economics. It's not really the liberal part that bothers me, it's the constant pandering to either side. Sad. Obama is far more liberal than I can stand, but he's much more pure than McCain and I honestly believe we would see greater change with him in the White House. As for other candidates...we've been discussing Ron Paul, right? I think the man is a nut, but there are a few things we agree on. Not enough for me to vote for him though. Libertarians in general...ehh...

I've always liked Mike Huckabee. He hasn't pulled any pandering bullshit, and we have similar values. He's supposedly going to be McCain's VP...interesting choice.
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Geez, you Republicans really are too conservative. 2048? Good God, be a bit progressive and get things done in a realistic timeframe. :wink:

I'm surprised you consider Obama far too liberal, because I see him as part of this problem - typified by Tony Blair and Kevin Rudd - of left leaders moving to the centre and watering things down. I would never consider him a fellow leftie, rather a centrist ally. In what way(s) do you think he is too liberal?

I can't stand Hickabee. Fundies can fuck off. Crude, but the guy drives me up the wall.
 
I'm #57 in overall posts. I like being in that range. Keeps me from feeling like a total loser, yet still a major part of the forum.
 
Hey, LM, this may seem a bit random, but while you're here - what's your e-mail address? I know I did have it, but I can't bloody recall it now.
 
Axver said:


Geez, you Republicans really are too conservative. 2048? Good God, be a bit progressive and get things done in a realistic timeframe. :wink:

I'm surprised you consider Obama far too liberal, because I see him as part of this problem - typified by Tony Blair and Kevin Rudd - of left leaders moving to the centre and watering things down. I would never consider him a fellow leftie, rather a centrist ally. In what way(s) do you think he is too liberal?

I can't stand Hickabee. Fundies can fuck off. Crude, but the guy drives me up the wall.
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It was originally 2178, but Bush helped things along a bit.

Obama is, based on his voting record, the most liberal candidate by a good mile. I'd post it, but dang, I wouldn't want to sort through to look for the good parts. :lol: Again, it's not a big deal to me, and wouldn't prevent me from voting for the man. I know the most America's most left are greedy destroyers of abortion clinics compared to New Zealand's right. :wink:
 
Axver said:
Hey, LM, this may seem a bit random, but while you're here - what's your e-mail address? I know I did have it, but I can't bloody recall it now.
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whp555444 @ yahoo . com



Just don't spam it with any of your tram porn again. :tsk:
 
Screwtape2 said:
LemonMelon, if you did get your show, would you do the music for it because that would be all kinds of win.
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Absolutely. I already have, actually. I made a crude pilot for my show (in the same read-along style as the U2 cartoons) and posted it on youtube. The opening and closing credits are both my songs.
 
LemonMelon said:


whp555444 @ yahoo . com



Just don't spam it with any of your tram porn again. :tsk:
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You know you dug seeing Z3 120's undercarriage.
 
LemonMelon said:


Absolutely. I already have, actually. I made a crude pilot for my show (in the same read-along style as the U2 cartoons) and posted it on youtube. The opening and closing credits are both my songs.
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Awesome. See I bet you could branch out and do a lot of things. I mean would you consider scoring or writing tracks for other shows?
 
LemonMelon said:


It was originally 2178, but Bush helped things along a bit.

Obama is, based on his voting record, the most liberal candidate by a good mile. I'd post it, but dang, I wouldn't want to sort through to look for the good parts. :lol: Again, it's not a big deal to me, and wouldn't prevent me from voting for the man. I know the most America's most left are greedy destroyers of abortion clinics compared to New Zealand's right. :wink:
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Well, maybe you lot should hurry things up by shitting on the constitution a little more and giving Bush a third term. :wink:

I was always a big fan of Dennis Kucinich. My views seemed to be very close to his. He was never a viable candidate for the nomination, of course, but I do wish he could at least be a viable running mate.
 
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