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Old 04-28-2005, 12:05 AM   #1
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U2 Mirrors The Beatles.....

Wow, I was just thinking to myself the other day how much U2 mirrors The Beatles........

First Third Of Their Careers: U2 and The Beatles both begin with a signature sound that slowly evolves over time.

- The Beatles most pointed to stumbling block in this era is 'Beatles For Sale', with its covers of many classic standards, it shows the band's old influences and continues on their evolution. The same can be said for U2's 'Rattle and Hum'.........both bands put out six albums in this first era.

- The first Beatles album and the first U2 album have a song with the lyrics "There's a place....." that evoke memories of childhood....

- 'Boy' also happened to be release near the time of John Lennon's death, and U2 happened to be in the New York area when it occurred.....a passing of the torch, perhaps?

Second Third Of Their Careers: Both bands end up changing the pop music scene by making albums that are more production based and less "playable" in a live setting. Achtung Baby/Zooropa are U2's Revolver/Sgt.Pepper's........the former being the band's initial sound with a lot of nicely produced tweaks, and the latter being a production heavy effort that isn't as radio friendly. Pop/Magical Mystery Tour have a bit more of the "hits" that you would expect. You could also point to some of the avant garde Beatles solo projects at this time and a bit later being similar to what U2 did with 'Passengers - Original Soundtracks I'.....

Final Third of Their Careers: The two bands focus less on production and more on a simple rock sound with great songwriting and the occasional bit of glamor. White Album/Let It Be/Abbey Road and ATYCLB/HTDAAB/?

- Strangely enough ATYCLB is mostly white, like The White Album. HTDAAB is mostly black, like LIB, which was the next album The Beatles recorded.

Luckily, Bono and The Edge don't have competing egos. And Ali is no Yoko.
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But...

U2 surpassed the Beatles career, some 15 years ago.

U2's early albums had much deeper, darker, more serious themes than the Beatles early albums.

3's a good number, compare each bands third albums to each other.

Compare "A Hard days night" to "Like a Song."
"If I fell" to "2 hearts beat as one."
"Sunday Bloody Sunday" to, anything off "Hard Days night"

"October" very different to "With the Beatles," (was that really the title?)

Seems to me Adam and Larry are much more in tune, in sync, in step with each other, than McCartney and Ringo were.

U2 are a better live band, aren't they? I've only seen brief clips of Beatles concerts, whereas I've been up close to U2 with GA's. U2 looked happy to be on stage, Adam was smiling a lot, Larry smiled a few times!

U2 can't mirror anyone these days, 25 years with no lineup changes, no break ups, relevant and successful. Duran Duran have the same members, but they were on hiatus for a while.

I think U2 no longer have anyone to compare to.

*Jumps into reject box to hide from Beatles fans*

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U2 surpassed the Beatles career, some 15 years ago.
In what aspect?

Musically it is feasible. That is very open to debate with music being what it is.

But popularity wise or influence that is totally non-sensical.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer to listen to most U2 records over Beatles ones - they speak to me more... but I really dont think I can argue that U2 have surpassed the Beatles career.
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Strictly timewise.

1962-1970-- Beatles

1980--now. --U2

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There are similarities. "Problem" is that we don't know how U2 will be remembered in 30 years. The Beatles only existed for 8 years or so and look how famous they still are.

If you are looking for the better band: definately U2
If you are looking for the biggest band ever: definately the Beatles
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There are similarities. "Problem" is that we don't know how U2 will be remembered in 30 years. The Beatles only existed for 8 years or so and look how famous they still are.

If you are looking for the better band: definately U2
If you are looking for the biggest band ever: definately the Beatles
That's only because The Beatles didn't have any competition back then...
...just look with how many good, or even great bands U2 had to... and still have to "fight".
How many of them are gone, how many of them are no longer important, how many new bands apear and disapear between U2 albums... R.E.M. Oasis, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Guns&Roses, Rage Against TM, Red Hot CP, all bands that are playing as "opening acts" for U2 in Europe... and it's just the beggining of the list.
Who was there in the time of the Beatles? No one.
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That's only because The Beatles didn't have any competition back then...
...just look with how many good, or even great bands U2 had to... and still have to "fight".
How many of them are gone, how many of them are no longer important, how many new bands apear and disapear between U2 albums... R.E.M. Oasis, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Guns&Roses, Rage Against TM, Red Hot CP, all bands that are playing as "opening acts" for U2 in Europe... and it's just the beggining of the list.
Who was there in the time of the Beatles? No one.
ehmmm the rolling stones???
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...and?... go on...
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...and?... go on...
okay:

The Beach boys
The Doors
The Byrds
Pink Floyd (although they realy got their breakthrough in the 70's)
The Animals
Jefferson airplane
Led Zeppelin
The Who
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Talk about competition: Compare the mediocre Oasis or Rage against the Machine with Led Zeppelin or the Doors
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Not to mention that beside REAL artists and REAL bands there are also "product-artists" today like Britney, all boys/girs-bands...
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Just for the record: I'm a much bigger U2 fan than a beatles fan though sergeant pepper is one hell of a kick ass record
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Not to mention that beside REAL artists and REAL bands there are also "product-artists" today like Britney, all boys/girs-bands...
Yeah that is true but you can't realy call that competition can you..
All I'm saying is..if you look at the list of "competitors" the beatles had and you compare that with U2's it is one hell of a difference. U2 has been in a leaque of their own for the last 18 years..
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The Beatles didn't have any competition? In the sixties? I think Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones could give Oasis and the Red Hot Chili Peppers a run for their money, but that's just me.

Oh, and "product artists" aren't anything new. In fact, they were the norm for a good while, and the Beatles helped break that.

I know it's cool to bash the Beatles, and there are a ton of valid ways to go about that, but you all suck at it and totally miss the point.

For example, saying that U2 is a better live band as a bullet-point for why they're better is silly when the Beatles stopped touring entirely in 1966 and went on to revolutionize the way artists used the studio when recording albums.

Saying U2 is "deeper, darker, whateverer" than the Beatles is silly when you consider that all rock music has been "standing on the shoulders of giants" and that U2 is only able to go deeper because of the ground broken by their predecessors.

And you know what, the Beatles' music still stands up incredibly well in its own right, even when you don't take any of this crap into account. "A Day In the Life," "Hey, Jude," "Something," and so forth are still amazing songs.

I don't see the point of making everything a dick-measuring contest anyway. I don't see why U2 fans are obsessed with proving that U2 is the best band in the world, ever. Frankly, they've had a remarkably diverse career and they're at the top of their own game, but they haven't done everything and, believe it or not, other bands are better than them at certain things, in certain ways.

(P.S., McCartney is a better bass player than Adam, although I bet Adam has a bigger willy. I'll give the Larry a nod over Ringo on both drumming ability and conjectured willy size, but I think Edge versus Lennon, Harrison, and Mac on guitar is a wash.)
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The Beatles didn't have any competition? In the sixties? I think Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones could give Oasis and the Red Hot Chili Peppers a run for their money, but that's just me.

My point exactely. If you look at the list of bands I mentoined a couple of post before and you compare them to RATM or Oasis.

There's no competition...Comparing Led zeppelin with Rage against the machine is like comparing George Michael with that other guy from wham (Andrew "I fuck up racing cars"Ridgely anyone?)

Not sure what I'm getting at but anyway...

The Doors, the stones, Led Zeppelin kick Oasis their ass even on an offday
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