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Old 04-28-2005, 11:42 AM   #31
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REALY? well no! It so happens I was raised on all of their 300 songs, every one of them sounding the same... with minor diferences
Sorry, but anyone who has really heard all of the Beatles songs couldn't possibly say something so completely...well, wrong.

Hmmm...let me think...

Roll Over Beethoven
I Am The Walrus
Love Me Do
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Help!
Norweigan Wood
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Elenor Rigy
Helter Skelter
Hey Jude
Tomorrow Never Knows
Strawberry Fields Forever
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Come Together
Oh Darling!
Something
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Yellow Submarine
The entire medly on Abbey Road

Yep, you're right. They all sound almost exactly the same.
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Old 04-28-2005, 11:59 AM   #32
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What kind of argument is that?
So they were a song-writing machines... wow... can I stop being impresed now?...
That sure explains why while listening to them I feel like listening to one song over and over again... oh and don't forget this one change in music style... can I mention U2 did it from album to album?


REALY? well no! It so happens I was raised on all of their 300 songs, every one of them sounding the same... with minor diferences (oh yeah, "revolutionary back then.... but somehow I'm still not impresed...)

and to the point:
U2 are better than The Beatles!
It’s possible that you’re listening to The Beatles while keeping in mind everything you’ve heard that’s come after them. Everything that’s been influenced by them. That can taint the way someone listens to older music. Same thing with movies. I saw Citizen Kane and was like, OK…what’s the big deal. But then I thought about it in the context that before that movie, there were things that had never been done before. Same with the Beatles. Backwards masking (which seems like nothing now because we hear it all the time) used on ‘Rain’. Feedback (a staple in rock and roll) in ‘I Feel Fine’. And they took songwriting structure to a different level – they added intelligence, wit and rich melodies that get stuck in your head.

U2 has done several things along the same lines. The combination of rock and techno (Mofo). Edge’s signature guitar sound (replicated by the likes of Coldplay, The Church, and a bunch of other bands that start with a ‘C’ that I can’t think of right now) The combination of political and sexual into a song (a by product of another decent band The Clash)

I don’t even know where the whole Beatles are better than U2 argument started in this thread but I think the point that is trying to be made is this:

U2 has a lot of similarities in their career as The Beatles. For a lot of people on this board, no one band is better than the other.

But, respect should be shown for both for the waves they’ve made in the tide pool.
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Sorry, but anyone who has really heard all of the Beatles songs couldn't possibly say something so completely...well, wrong.

Hmmm...let me think...

Roll Over Beethoven
I Am The Walrus
Love Me Do
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Help!
Norweigan Wood
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Elenor Rigy
Helter Skelter
Hey Jude
Tomorrow Never Knows
Strawberry Fields Forever
Back in the U.S.S.R.
Come Together
Oh Darling!
Something
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Yellow Submarine
The entire medly on Abbey Road

Yep, you're right. They all sound almost exactly the same.
I often confuse Yellow Submarine and Helter Skelter

"Do you, don't you want me to love you? Cos we all live in a Yellow Submarine!"
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:08 PM   #34
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What kind of argument is that?
So they were a song-writing machines... wow... can I stop being impresed now?...
That sure explains why while listening to them I feel like listening to one song over and over again... oh and don't forget this one change in music style... can I mention U2 did it from album to album?


REALY? well no! It so happens I was raised on all of their 300 songs, every one of them sounding the same... with minor diferences (oh yeah, "revolutionary back then.... but somehow I'm still not impresed...)

and to the point:
U2 are better than The Beatles!
Everyone sounding the same?

Magical Mystery Tour vs. Please Please Me
Helter Skelter vs. Wild Honey Pie
Because vs. Come Together
A Day In The Life vs. I'm Only Sleeping

The Beatles made as diverse music as U2 does.
I like U2 better than Beatles, but it doesn't get better than them.
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Old 04-28-2005, 12:46 PM   #35
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I've had conversations with quite a few people who dislike the Beatles or think they are overrated and a lot of times it comes down to just trying to be different. U2 somewhat resembles the Beatles, but there will never be another band that brings everything that the Beatles did to the table. What I always find amazing is that all four Beatles went on to create at least one great solo album, even Ringo. I don't think U2 could do that.
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How U2 will be remembered in 30 years?
And how all those bands from 60's and 70's are rememberd now? A crap-covers from crap-artists from time to time? With almost no one (almost) younger than 30 knowing about them?
Go on the street and ask anyone to name a few songs from those bands... you'd be lucky to get at least one...
Please...

Hmm, I am under 30, that must mean that I don't know any music from the 60's or 70's. I can think of a lot of huge bands off the top of my head (all had many hits that are still heard today).

The Beatles
Rolling Stones
The Who
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
The Doors
CCR
Cream
The Byrds
The Beach Boys
Jimi Hendrix
Crosby, Stills & Nash

Maybe everybody you know under 30 is just dumb. But I do think U2 will be remembered very well in 30 years time and will be considered top 5 of all time. Just don't discount the older bands.
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Old 04-28-2005, 01:16 PM   #37
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I don't think that this is something that can reasonably be argued. The world was a completely different place 40+ years ago when the Beatles were at their peak. Both the music industry and the world as a whole have gone through such dramatic changes in popular culture, it is literally like comparing apples to street-cars.
To say who is better than who is just opinion. I know peoplewho would say that The Pixies are "better" than U2 and that The Clash were the most important band that ever used an amp. You could make valid arguements for almost any opinion.
You could try to base your arguements on record sales, or number one hits, or concert attendance or number of lunchboxes sold, whatever, but when it comes down to it, it is this guy's opinion against that guy's opinion.
There is no measure for greatness, you either are great or you aren't. U2 and The Beatles are great.

Buttttt... in my opinion, The Beatles are the hands down, the end all be all of modern music.
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The Beatles accomplished what they did in 8 years.
8 YEARS!?!?!?!

If they had had the 25 year career U2 has had, who's to say how much more they would have accomplished.

And to those who think all the Beatles songs sound the same, obviously hasn't listened to the Beatles.
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Listen, when talking about pop/rock music in a historical context, there is 'before the Beatles' and 'after the Beatles'. You can't say that about U2. The Beatles didn't just change music, they changed culture THROUGH their music. They literally changed the world, permanently.

One need only look at this list of 50+ songs, most of which are instantly or near-instantly recognizable to a mind-boggling amount of people:

Please Please Me
Love Me Do
All My Loving
Michelle
Hard Day's Night
If I Fell
Happy To Dance With You
Can't Buy Me Love
Eight Days A Week
Help
Ticket To Ride
I've Just Seen A Face
Yesterday
Drive My Car
Norwegian Wood(This Bird Has Flown)
Girl
In My Life
Taxman
Elenoar Rigby
Yellow Submarine
Here, There, and Everywhere
She Said She Said
And Your Bird Can Sing
For No One
With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
A Day In The Life
Strawberry Fields Forever
I Am The Walrus
Penny Lane
All You Need Is Love
Helter Skelter
Blackbird
Back In The U.S.S.R.
Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da
Honey Pie
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Julia
Come Together
Something
Here Comes The Sun
Abbey Road Medley
Let It Be
Two Of Us
The Long And Winding Road
Get Back
I Wanna Hold Your Hand
She Loves You
Paperback Writer
Day Tripper
We Can Work It Out
Hey Jude
Lady Madonna
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...well, that sure was a post full of arguments and deep thoughts... I just don't know where to start...

First, if you know something, that doesn't mean everyone has to know it...
Those bands are "legends" today because they did something for the first time or had unique style, wich wasn't something special at the beggining of Rock music.

The Beatles deserve nothing more than the words that they DID start a few thing and they did a few things for the first time...
But that does NOT mean that they are better than U2,
Can't a student be better than a teacher?
The student can be better than the teacher YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!..
but I don't think that is the isue here...The Beatles have done it all and you were the one who came up with legendary posts as..
"They had no competition". So don't give me that crap about post full of arguments and deep thoughts...

Say what you want about Lennon & Co but they have survived...and are still relevant 40 years later...man I'm actualy defending the Beatles while I'm more a stones man myself
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The Beatles were the first great band to hit. As the first band to hit that big, obviously there influence has to be huge. Its incredible, they are still selling records.

But U2 are the best band

Just by making such brilliant music during the course of 25 years, and being able to surpass the studio work in their live shows makes U2 the "Greatest band to ever hit the universe"
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A few other similarities that escaped me......

Both the Achtung Baby/Revolver covers are made up of collages of various photos....and War is usually pointed to as when U2 finally realized their potential, while The Beatle's third album, A Hard Day's Night, is usually listed under the same as it was the first album that they wrote all of the songs.
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The Beatles deserve nothing more than the words that they DID start a few thing and they did a few things for the first time...
But that does NOT mean that they are better than U2,
Can't a student be better than a teacher?
Sure, but thing is, U2 has yet to surpass the Beatles in a lot of ways. Look at Ruckman's list and give me a list of U2 songs recorded no more than six years apart that compares. Every album from Rubber Soul onward was a masterpiece.

People here complain about the Beatles being overrated but ignore that, uh, this place isn't exactly an unbiased judge of U2's output either. So it's funny to even discuss this here.
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okay, this is a thread that has really a lot more to do with the beatles than U2. i'm moving it to B&C but i'm gonna be keeping a close eye on this one...

everyone please be civil. thanks!
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If you went up to a random person on the street, and asked them to name all the U2 songs they know, and then asked them to name all the Beatles songs they know, chances are they will know more Beatles songs.

The Beatles changed forever the landscape of popular music.

Then again, you could argue that Elvis did too.
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