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Old 03-30-2008, 09:38 PM   #346
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It makes me wonder what is the most ridiculous idea we can sell to people here.

Oooh I know!!! Bono IS God


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I'm producing a booklet to accompany their exhibition. Which means I'm going to be doing a shitload of writing over the coming month. Wheee stress.
Are you going to insert subliminal messages about trains?

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What about something like Stuck In A Moment? I think that's a great example of over-production - it's produced so much to be slick, radio-friendly, fluffy pop and whatever meaningfulness the song had is killed under the layers of production.
The acoustic version makes me mad. I love it and it sounds so much better than the album version. But they left out my favourite line "I never thought you were a fool, but darling look at you" I that line.

Sweet insults for the win My favourite though is this one:

'While you were sleeping I was listening to the radio and wondering what you're dreaming when it came to mind that I didn't care" From 'Rest Stop' by Matchbox Twenty.
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Oh wow, the current round of Survivor is really hard. True proof that a lot of U2's best material is not on their albums.
An album made out of their b-sides would be one of the best albums ever.
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But see production is about the manipulation of sound. It is an art that can get killed in the mix which Stuck was but that means the producer wasn't in fact producing effectly. Over-production implies that some was too good in a mix. That is simply not possible.
I'm not so sure I agree. To use the Stuck example, compare the produced studio version to a raw and unproduced live version. Without production, the song at least seems to have some sincerity, especially the 2005-06 performances. But the studio version, it's just completely over-produced - i.e. too much is done to it and it loses its sincerity.

I suspect we might be using 'over-production' to mean somewhat different things though.
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But see production is about the manipulation of sound. It is an art that can get killed in the mix which Stuck was but that means the producer wasn't in fact producing effectly. Over-production implies that some was too good in a mix. That is simply not possible.
I think most people define over-production as trying to hard to manipulate a sound that would make more sense in a simpler form. I personally think that makes sense, and that Stuck in a Moment is a good example of that. Most of Achtung Baby, I think, is also a good example of that.
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Yeah, Jamila will believe that.
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Why/how people take my posts seriously I will never know.
they are noobs

but why anyone would take that thread seriously is beyond me, it was obviously mocking the other dumb ones. except people take those seriously too.
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Yeah, Jamila will believe that.
It's more fun too fool more than 1 person though
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I'm not so sure I agree. To use the Stuck example, compare the produced studio version to a raw and unproduced live version. Without production, the song at least seems to have some sincerity, especially the 2005-06 performances. But the studio version, it's just completely over-produced - i.e. too much is done to it and it loses its sincerity.

I suspect we might be using 'over-production' to mean somewhat different things though.
Yes, we are looking at over-production as two different things. I think when you do too much to a track it is a lack of production in the same way in a movie that is overdone is considered a lack of direction.
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An album made out of their b-sides would be one of the best albums ever.
My b-sides collection - which doesn't even include some of my favourite b-sides, just those from the early/mid eighties not on the Best Of B-sides - is my third favourite U2 disc, behind UF and JT.
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We can safely agree if U2 have a 50/50 chance of getting it right, 90% of the time they'll fuck it up royally.
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