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Old 08-12-2005, 12:38 AM   #61
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Have a guess who's going to win tomorrow.

Hint: it does not start with 'A'.
Not the All Blacks?
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Old 08-12-2005, 12:59 AM   #62
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Not the All Blacks?
Have a guess who's going to win tomorrow.

Hint: it does not begin with 'A' if it is only one word.
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Old 08-12-2005, 02:15 AM   #63
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Oh you Kiwis!

You even fool yourselves Picking your own team
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This post is simple.

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Old 08-12-2005, 04:56 AM   #66
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Tony Marsh wasn't exactly born in Paree so that's a big hole in your argument.
Marsh and De Villiers are the only non-French players in the last 100 years.

I can start the list of kidnapped players if you want, the list is soooooooo long

Be careful my sweet turtle, there will be a big hole in the NZ defense in 2007.
And maybe saturday too.
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Never said I liked NZ, and I think you do have a point about the rather sad practice of sportsmen choosing not to play for their countries. I suppose there are all sorts of exceptions - in Singapore one of the national team football players is a Liverpool-born Englishman but can we say that's negated by the fact he's been in this country since he was three - but to have willy-nilly switching of allegiances after a mere three year residency is just wrong, somehow.

Does this reflect a changing, more globalised world? Or are athletes just too willing to throw away national pride for money and personal glory? Who knows?

That said New Zealand are hardly the only country guilty of this practice in the rugby world.
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I'm just sad that the Western Samoa is always stolen, I would really love to see them with equal opportunities.
I would love to see a Pacific Islands team in the tri-series.
I'm happy that Brian Abana refused to gather Australia for money and loves his Springbok shirt.
I'm not a nationalist at all, i want equal opportunities. Some Samoans couldn't play for their national team in 2003 because their English clubs refused, it's the kind of things i hate, the NZ and Australian federations don't help this country enough, they let them starving and steal their best players.
Most of Samoans and Fidjians prefered 1 or 2 caps in the NZ or Australian team instead of 50 caps with their nation. I don't understand, and the situation is getting worse since the federations pay the international players. I prefered when the clubs paid their players.
And it is the same thing for Argentina, half of the Italian team is made of people from Argentina.
Rugby is dying because of these practices.
The International Rugby Board took a terrible decision last year. Before it was easy to play for any national team, now it's no longer possible. Some players will wait an hypothetic cap in a major country.
There is a huge debate in France about Isotolo Maka. It is possible that Maka play for France in 2007, many of us are happy because he is a great player, but i don't feel comfortable to know that he refused to play with the Samoa in 2003, waiting for the compulsory 6 years gap needed when you want to join a new selection.
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Do you follow your country's football team? How do you feel about the likes of Patrick Vieira playing for France?
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That said New Zealand are hardly the only country guilty of this practice in the rugby world.
True. Infact New Zealand suprisingly are one of the most pillaged countries this way in the world. In the past 5 years we have seen many high profile All Blacks such as Shane Howarth, Grahame Bachop & Stephen Bachop playing for other countries, of coure there are top-notch NPC players like Tony Marsh & the Leslie brothers who were pinched as well. So it goes both ways.

On the level of worst offenders in this regard, Australia rank right up there... it is not uncommon for them to grab developed players from other nations, Manu, Paul & Ofahangaue from New Zealand Vickerman and Strauss from South Africa. To my knowledge the only non-NZ born players the All Blacks have fielded in the past 10 years are Andrew Merthens and Steven Devine.

In regards to Pacific Island rugby...Any players NZ have "taken" from that pool have generally been NZ born to Pacific Island parenets and raised in the NZRFU structure. Michael Jones being a case in point, despite playing his first test for Samoa, he is, was and will always be a New Zealander. Up until 1996 no-one did more for PI rugby (this probably still rings true), but the Super 12/Tri-Nation structure severly hurts them, to benifit Australia.
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I never knew Andrew Mehrtens wasn't born in NZ.
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I never knew Andrew Mehrtens wasn't born in NZ.
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His Grandpa was an All Black and his dad played Under 21's for NZ... so he is well and truly a Kiwi. Just slightly less than you or I...which is fitting being a Cantab and all.
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Oh yes. We'll see Australia beaten to a bloody pulp!
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I've never seen such georgous use of a smiley before.

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we will see....
im not sure if it will be convincing, but au will win.
there is no doubt in my mind!!!
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