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Old 06-20-2008, 04:39 PM   #106
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I love them both equally, I think, Takk maybe slightly more after hearing those songs live but for me it's similar to the Ok Computer vs. Kid A or Joshua Tree vs. Achtung argument--can't live without any of them.
OK Computer vs. The Bends for me, Kid A is interesting but OK Computer wins hands down.
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In no particular order (because that would be WAY too much work):

1. Radiohead - Kid A
2. Radiohead - In Rainbows
3. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
4. Interpol - Turn on the Bright Lights
5. LCD Soundsystem - Sounds of Silver
6. The National - Alligator
7. The National - Boxer
8. Sonic Youth - Murray Street
9. Pearl Jam - Pearl Jam
10. OST - Lost in Translation (is this cheating?)
11. Primal Scream - XTRMNTR
12. Beck - Sea Changes
13. Black Rebel Motorcycle Club - Take Them On, On Your Own
14. Sun Kil Moon - Ghosts of the Great Highway
15. Sun Kil Moon - April

I really can't get to 20. In fact, I'm surprised I got to 15. It's not that I can't list more albums...but I just can't think of ones other than those listed that would be deserving of a "top albums of the decade" label. Broken Social Scene's YFIIP being one example...it's a great, fantastic album, but I wouldn't think of it as deserving of that description.

Also, I tend to listen to fewer albums more times, so there's a lot of stuff that I've wanted to get into but just haven't gotten around to doing...like Kanye.
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1. Radiohead - Kid A
2. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
3. The National - Boxer
4. Arcade Fire - Funeral
5. The National - Alligator
6. Ryan Adams & The Cardinals - Cold Roses
7. Beck - Sea Change
8. Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
9. The Flamings Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
10. My Morning Jacket - Z
11. Sigur Ros - ( )
12. Broken Social Scene - You Forgot it in People
13. Radiohead - Amnesiac
14. Okkervil River - Black Sheep Boy
15. Wilco - A Ghost is Born
16. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene
17. My Morning Jacket - It Still Moves
18. The White Stripes - Elephant
19. Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism
20. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver




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As for listing so many, I think listing only twenty albums dilutes the importance of this decade ever which is easily the greatest in the history of popular music. I'm so sick of forty year-olds, especially on this forum, complaining about modern music when you'd be fortunate to have ten killer albums in a given year before 2000. Making the list a "sensible" 20 just means crap like American Idiot and The Rising will show up. They're not bad albums but they can't even be said in the same breath as those deserving of Top 200 status from this decade. The ease of release thanks to the internet along with the ability for indie-acts to gain an instant fanbase of 100,000 people is the best thing to happen since The Beatles.
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Easily the greatest decade in the history of popular music.

Greater than the 60s, when the Beatles and the Stones and Dylan and early Led Zep and early Doors and the Beach Boys and Simon & Garfunkel and Jimi Hendrix, etc etc, were competing?

Greaeter than the 70s, when Led Zep was in their prime, when Floyd was in their prime, when the Who was in their prime, when Aerosmith was putting out much of it's best albeit early material, when David Bowie was in his prime, when Queen was in its prime, when Billy Joel was in his prime, when Elton John was in his prime, when female singer-songwriters like Carole King, Joni Mitchell, and Carly Simon were paving the way for women like Tori Amos and Fiona Apple decades later, when Abba was putting out some of the most beautifully-crafted pure pop music that's ever been put out, etc etc?

Greater than the 80s when U2 was putting out their early work, when REM was making their name, when Sting&The Police were around, when Metallica put out some of the greatest metal records of all time, when Michael Jackson and Madonna changed the pop world forever, when the Beastie Boys and Public Enemy and Dre and Run DMC revolutionized hip-hop, when GNR burst on the scene, when Depeche Mode was making its name, when the Cure was in their prime, etc?

Greater than the 90s when Radiohead was putting out the Bends and OKC, when U2 was putting out the boldest work of their career, when Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and Alice In Chains among others spearheaded the grunge movement, when alternative acts like Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Weezer, RATM, etc were competing, when Tupac and Wutang and the Fugees and Jay-Z were making hip-hop mainstream, when Tori Amos and Alanis Morissette and Fiona Apple were competing, when REM was in their prime, when RHCP was putting out BSSM and Californication, etc etc?

Not better than any one of the above, but better than all of them?

Really?

Your statement is hyperbolic if any statement ever was. I'm not saying there isn't good music this decade. That's ridiculous, of course there is - Radiohead, Coldplay, Arcade Fire, Sigur Ros, Eminem, Audioslave, Killers, Franz Ferdinand, older acts like Pearl Jam, RHCP, REM, U2, Tori Amos, Green Day, Springsteen still going at it - there's plenty of good music this decade, when it's just silly, imo, to say that it's the greatest decade in the history of popular music.

And I'm not 40. I'm 23.
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Well, perhaps there haven't been the cultural touchstones and sheer masterpieces that previous decades have, but, at least below the mainstream music is really spreading off in a lot of new directions all at once, with influence and sounds being exchanged much more readily thanks to the internet. I'm not going to agree that this is the best music decade, but we are in a period where experimentation and variation in tastes is much easier to come by.
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Easily the greatest decade in the history of popular music.
Yeah, it would be...if the music were any good, outside of the occasional bright spot.

The internet has put music in the hands of the people again, which is fantastic, but that does not necessary mean that those people actually have talent.
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Your statement is hyperbolic if any statement ever was. I'm not saying there isn't good music this decade. That's ridiculous, of course there is - Radiohead, Coldplay, Arcade Fire, Sigur Ros, Eminem, Audioslave, Killers, Franz Ferdinand, older acts like Pearl Jam, RHCP, REM, U2, Tori Amos, Green Day, Springsteen still going at it - there's plenty of good music this decade, when it's just silly, imo, to say that it's the greatest decade in the history of popular music.
You just proved that you've listened to practically nothing this decade outside of the mainstream. If RHCP, Pearl Jam, REM, Torio Amos, Green Day and Springsteen are some of the best acts from this decade (along with Coldplay, Audioslave and the fucking Killers) then you don't know shit. Your listing of artists from the other decades was also predictable and, of course, fails to mention nearly every great underground act of the 70s/80s/90s.

Go download some of the albums off my list and come back to me.
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Not my fault people say modern music sucks when they don't listen to any of it. That's like saying Spider-Man 4 was absolute shit.
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Not my fault people say modern music sucks when they don't listen to any of it. That's like saying Spider-Man 4 was absolute shit.
That analogy isn't great...it would be more applicable to somebody saying that Fleet Foxes' sophomore album was crap, but yeah...I see what you're saying.
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That analogy isn't great...it would be more applicable to somebody saying that Fleet Foxes' sophomore album was crap, but yeah...I see what you're saying.
There's always records leaked early, old tracks that could be revised, and most importantly, Fleet Foxes playing new tracks in concert. I used a movie that hasn't even been given a script treatment because a lot of the users on here haven't even heard a song from these artists (unless it's used in a television commercial).

I'll bow to the thought that not as many albums today can fit into the 100 Greatest or whatever. If Sufjan's Illinois had come out in the sixties, for example, it would certainly deserve such an honor. However, artists of the 00's are influenced by the many before them and some of those influences can be easily discerned in a listen or two.

That said there's just so many more good albums coming out now. It's practically on a weekly basis, if not more. Biggest reason really is the internet as the underground scene was certainly not thriving anywhere close to this extent in the 90's. Artists now have the audiences they need. In a way, it's similar to how the content of television was altogether crappy minus about a half-dozen shows up until 2000. Suddenly, the internet/cable mean less viewers so the programs can go for a much narrower audience and need to be far more creative in order to be seen. Frankly, the sixties through the seventies had a lot of closed doors for musicians with very few minor labels, and even then, little to know way to let your artists be heard. After, things slowly expanded thanks to the rise of indie labels and now the doors are wide open.
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You just proved that you've listened to practically nothing this decade outside of the mainstream. If RHCP, Pearl Jam, REM, Torio Amos, Green Day and Springsteen are some of the best acts from this decade (along with Coldplay, Audioslave and the fucking Killers) then you don't know shit. Your listing of artists from the other decades was also predictable and, of course, fails to mention nearly every great underground act of the 70s/80s/90s.

Go download some of the albums off my list and come back to me.
When someone is told that they don't know shit, it is not likely to encourage them to want to delve deeper into your list and continue debating with you.

I never said 'modern music sucks' or anything like it, all I said was that I disagree with you when you say that this decade is the best in the history of popular music. There is a vast difference between the two things.

I've listened to about 1/5 of the records on your list. The Sigur Ros record is great, the Arcade Fire record is great, the Flaming Lips record is good, I haven't heard all of the Shins record but what little I have heard is good, the few songs I've heard from the Modest Mouse record were ok, didn't grab me too much, Binaural is good, ATYCLB and Kid A are great, Smile is ok, haven't heard the Bjork record but judging from some of her other stuff I'm sure it's at the very least interesting, but I can honestly say, the songs that I have heard from the Wilco record and the Decemberists record have left me with the 'I don't get it' feeling. However, it's been said that Wilco requires the headphones, 1000% attention treatment in order to appreciate it, and admittedly I haven't done that. Haven't heard pretty much any of the other stuff on your list.

I'm not going to sit here and say I'm know everything you've listed cold, because I don't. I know some of it, and what I know of it isn't make me jump up and down. I've tried. But when I choose a few songs off a record to listen to, and they do little for me, and this happens with 3, 4, 5 straight records on your list, then I'm not exactly salivating to get my hands(ears?) on the rest of them. That doesn't mean you're wrong or that I'm wrong, it just means we have different opinions. I may even give some of those other records a try anyway, since I have nothing to lose.

But don't tell people they don't know shit when referring to subjective topics.
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There's always records leaked early, old tracks that could be revised, and most importantly, Fleet Foxes playing new tracks in concert. I used a movie that hasn't even been given a script treatment because a lot of the users on here haven't even heard a song from these artists (unless it's used in a television commercial).

I'll bow to the thought that not as many albums today can fit into the 100 Greatest or whatever. If Sufjan's Illinois had come out in the sixties, for example, it would certainly deserve such an honor. However, artists of the 00's are influenced by the many before them and some of those influences can be easily discerned in a listen or two.

That said there's just so many more good albums coming out now. It's practically on a weekly basis, if not more. Biggest reason really is the internet as the underground scene was certainly not thriving anywhere close to this extent in the 90's. Artists now have the audiences they need. In a way, it's similar to how the content of television was altogether crappy minus about a half-dozen shows up until 2000. Suddenly, the internet/cable mean less viewers so the programs can go for a much narrower audience and need to be far more creative in order to be seen. Frankly, the sixties through the seventies had a lot of closed doors for musicians with very few minor labels, and even then, little to know way to let your artists be heard. After, things slowly expanded thanks to the rise of indie labels and now the doors are wide open.
Like an earlier poster said, I get your drift about not limiting oneself to the mainstream, but you're way too aggressive with the way you make your point. If you want to expose someone to what's out there, this is the worst possible way to do it.

Also, I think there's a lot of people who HAVE heard many of the albums on your list, just don't have the same passion for those records you do. You may be mistaking indifference for ignorance. People simply have different tastes, and by definition the majority have tastes that are rather mainstream. We're on a U2 message board for Chrissake. What were you expecting?

And as far as the decades argument is concerned, I cast my vote for the 80s all the way...and it's not an age thing. I'm 26 and I didnt start listening to music till I was 16. U2, REM, Echo and the Bunnymen, early New Order, Springsteen at the top of his game, Sonic Youth at arguably the peak of their powers, the Replacements, My Bloody Valentine's early days...and to top it all off, Joy Division. I'm dying for a contemporary artist to come and blow me away the way that Loveless and Closer have, but that day has yet to come. The closest I can remember is Kid A (when I was quite very stoned), and that record was made in 2000.
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Oh, and IMNSHO, Sigur Ros has been in decline since Aegetis Byrjun. There, I said it!!
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Oh, and IMNSHO, Sigur Ros has been in decline since Aegetis Byrjun. There, I said it!!
I actually agree.
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After reading this thread Kid A gets most over-rated!
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