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Old 06-24-2003, 01:19 PM   #16
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the only thing I burn are mix cds.

the thing is, i like buying music. i love music, and i'm as flat out broke as everyone else, but i like the feeling of buying music. manic street preachers' james dean bradfield said about downloading albums that "when we were young we wanted to see the artwork, read the lyrics. we think it should be part of the whole experience." I quite feel the same way. I bought Hail to the Thief because I was so guilty for downloading it. It's not the same album without the artwork or the booklet. Also, I felt there were completely no surprises because I had heard the entire thing before.


seriously, sitting down and listening to an album while looking through the booklet is quite possibly my favourite thing in the world. i like the fact that the live bad religion album has the huge detailed description of how it was recorded and where and when everything was recorded. i tend to get really pissed off when bands don't print the lyrics in their booklets



i can't download music for about 4 months out of the year while i'm home (or however long i'm actually home with the university school schdule), and it does bother me to some extent. what i generally do is read things on interference and download a few tracks to see what i like, and then from there buy the albums...i'm insanly broke now so it's probably a good thing it takes 2 hours to download a single song, but my music purchasing has increased since i've been able to download music

there...i think i'm done...
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I'm an old school girl myself; I like to open the new record, look at the liner notes and inserts, and have a pretty new cd to admire and play.


As long as I have the money, I buy. If I don't have the money, I just wait until I do and still buy.
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Another factor - I think I carry the old-school dial-up mentality. I was on dial-up for several years and it used to take fifteen minutes per mp3, so I would only download four or five at most and then get the CD. Nowadays I have cable but I guess old habits do die hard.
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What about live shows? Anyone feel wrong for downloading and burning these?
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If I could, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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i don't have a problem with downloading live shows because the only other way to acquire them is to either purchase or trade with other fans. i guess then there is an exception i can think of is with pearl jam boots since they release them officially. but if i were to download a pj show that was released on official boot, i wouldn't feel as guilty as i would had i downloaded the entire no code album instead of buying it.
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What about live shows? Anyone feel wrong for downloading and burning these?
Not at all. I also dont feel too bad about downloading b-sides since it would cost me more money than buying an album for an import with 2 songs I didnt have on it.
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I'm a technophobe with a piece-of-crap computer and a dial-up connection, so I've never downloaded music. If I did have the capabiity I don't think I would be able to resist the temptation entirely, despite my ethical qualms.

I have a hard time blaming people who download some tracks from an album before buying it to make sure they aren't going to be wasting their money on something they don't like, or who download to explore non-mainstream music they wouldn't be exposed to any other way. However, I think I would have issues with a person whose entire music collection was obtained through downloading and/or burning.
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I only download music when I want to investigate an artist or band I haven't listened to before, or to get live tracks. I burn copies of CDs for friends and relatives, and I copy my CDs when I go overseas and don't want to take originals with me. Otherwise, I'm an old-school collector; I love having pretty booklets and clicking with a mouse is just not as gratifying as changing real CDs. Plus I've got an album listener's mentality in that I just don't like to listen to the songs that have been removed from the rest of the work and the professional CD packaging; they feel... I don't know, somehow "rootless".
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live shows? no. it's the only way i'll experience a concert for most of my favourite artistes, and they are technically unofficial recordings. i've only burnt one though.
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I download shitloads of music. On me and my brothers computers (we have 'em networked and have similar taste in music) we have something like 70 gigabytes of mp3s, mainly complete albums.. it works out to something like 800-900 CDs worth. now this does include albums we buy, because they always get ripped. I buy a CD every now and then, more often than not as a gift, my brother buys tons and tons of vinyl because he djs, so he gets the ethical upperhand, i barely use CDs that I do have because I have an mp3 player. as far as me and ethics.. i guess i am stealing music, but i wouldn't enjoy it otherwise since i can't afford to buy it. and since all i do is think and talk about music (and some other things, sometimes) I work as a publicity machine for all the music I like, so I figure that should count for something. and if it doesn't, well then oh well.

Someone arrest me!

I should buy the new Radiohead though, but I spent 60 bucks CAD on a concert ticket.
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there's always the question of whether the band makes more money off album sales or tickets and merch...it really depends on how big the band is, i guess...

someone who knows more about album sales want to help me on this one?
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there's always the question of whether the band makes more money off album sales or tickets and merch...it really depends on how big the band is, i guess...
That doesn't matter at all. If you take something without paying for it, you're stealing it. It doesn't matter how much money that band has already made.
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That doesn't matter at all. If you take something without paying for it, you're stealing it. It doesn't matter how much money that band has already made.

you're right. nevermind.
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Then the question becomes how much $ does the band have. Guys like U2, REM, Radiohead are flush. Wheras my band is dirt broke.
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