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Old 03-05-2008, 10:29 AM   #361
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I'm still infuriated to see my party flailing like this thanks to the ugliness of the Clintons.

The math still works against her, but she will drag this thing out until the convention, almost guaranteeing a McCain victory in November.
it's frustrating as hell, especially since you've been investing so much in this election. please don't let that deter your spirit though. you're doing great things and are gonna make a difference in this world, i just know it
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I'm still infuriated to see my party flailing like this thanks to the ugliness of the Clintons.

The math still works against her, but she will drag this thing out until the convention, almost guaranteeing a McCain victory in November.
What I thought was the funniest thing is how she's extending the "well, maybe Obama can be my #2" branch. Clearly a good move, because obviously that'll excite the average democrat, and when Obama passes, she can claim that he is costing the Dems unity and is strengthening McCain's chances.
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Laura, can you explain to me why you're so-ooo against Hillary? It seems to me that someone who is such a fervent Democratic supporter such as yourself would have an "anyone-but-a-Republican" attitude, and as such would want to help whoever wins the nomination reach that goal.

Your remarks about Prague remind me of what a lot of Democrats were saying after Bush won his second term. Well, if you truly believe change is possible, wouldn't you want to be around if Hillary becomes President so that you can make sure whatever change occurs is as positive as possible?

If you leave, and Hillary is the disaster for the country that you think she will be, then you have no right to complain about the direction that America is headed because you you weren't around to change that direction.


I don't know if that made sense but it just seems to me, from here anyway, that you have a defeatist attitude, which is counter to what Obama is saying, me thinks. If Hilary would win, Obama would be the last person to leave the country. He would stay to keep fighting the good fight, so to speak.
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What I thought was the funniest thing is how she's extending the "well, maybe Obama can be my #2" branch. Clearly a good move, because obviously that'll excite the average democrat, and when Obama passes, she can claim that he is costing the Dems unity and is strengthening McCain's chances.
Exactly. Newsflash to Hillary: You're still behind in both the popular vote and the delegate count.

Obama's stuck between a rock and a hard place. He wants to stay above the fray, but he needs to start throwing punches, but if he throws punches, the Clintons paint him as being as low as...well...as low as they are.
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CASTLES!!!! I love castles. I've been to castles in England and France and Germany and Italy but never Ireland, that's a must. I'm sorry I'll be in London Sunday because I'd like to go to mass in Dublin. But Monday is St. Patrick's day! It will be interesting to spend it drinking good beer and not seeing all those "Kiss me" buttons.
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Laura, can you explain to me why you're so-ooo against Hillary? It seems to me that someone who is such a fervent Democratic supporter such as yourself would have an "anyone-but-a-Republican" attitude, and as such would want to help whoever wins the nomination reach that goal.

Your remarks about Prague remind me of what a lot of Democrats were saying after Bush won his second term. Well, if you truly believe change is possible, wouldn't you want to be around if Hillary becomes President so that you can make sure whatever change occurs is as positive as possible?

If you leave, and Hillary is the disaster for the country that you think she will be, then you have no right to complain about the direction that America is headed because you you weren't around to change that direction.


I don't know if that made sense but it just seems to me, from here anyway, that you have a defeatist attitude, which is counter to what Obama is saying, me thinks. If Hilary would win, Obama would be the last person to leave the country. He would stay to keep fighting the good fight, so to speak.

I am against Hillary Clinton for multiple reasons:
She is EXTREMELY polarizing, and she fires up the Republicans more than any other Republican.

Her support of Bush's war in Iraq and rattling sabres with Iran is unexcusable.

She has been using Karl Rovian tactics in her campaign, and against a Democrat no less. She cares more about her own ego and victory than what happens to her party or the outcome in November. If you listen to her, she praises McCain more than Obama.

I'm still torn about Prague, because as you said, I wouldn't be able to make a difference...and that tears me apart inside. I love being out on the street communicating with voters. But I cannot align myself with the ugliness of the Clintons. I will still vote of course, and it would never be for a man who says we could be in Iraq the next 100 years.

I'll be around for the next president, I'd really only be gone during the Election. If Hillary were to somehow wrestle the nomination from Obama, she does not deserve my labor. She will have my vote, but I will not spend my energy on her, I'll find some other cause. Obama however, makes the Prague decision even more difficult.

Nothing is set in stone at this point, and I will ALWAYS be around to fight the good fight, even if I'm gone temporarily to do some soul searching.
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Oh, and this is my opinion, but would someone please gorilla glue Gloria Steinem's mouth shut. Thanks.
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CASTLES!!!! I love castles. I've been to castles in England and France and Germany and Italy but never Ireland, that's a must. I'm sorry I'll be in London Sunday because I'd like to go to mass in Dublin. But Monday is St. Patrick's day! It will be interesting to spend it drinking good beer and not seeing all those "Kiss me" buttons.
Will you be in Dublin on Monday? If so you could probably go to mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral, which I'm sure will be very crowded.
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I am against Hillary Clinton for multiple reasons:
She is EXTREMELY polarizing, and she fires up the Republicans more than any other Republican.

Her support of Bush's war in Iraq and rattling sabres with Iran is unexcusable.

She has been using Karl Rovian tactics in her campaign, and against a Democrat no less. She cares more about her own ego and victory than what happens to her party or the outcome in November. If you listen to her, she praises McCain more than Obama.

I'm still torn about Prague, because as you said, I wouldn't be able to make a difference...and that tears me apart inside. I love being out on the street communicating with voters. But I cannot align myself with the ugliness of the Clintons. I will still vote of course, and it would never be for a man who says we could be in Iraq the next 100 years.

I'll be around for the next president, I'd really only be gone during the Election. If Hillary were to somehow wrestle the nomination from Obama, she does not deserve my labor. She will have my vote, but I will not spend my energy on her, I'll find some other cause. Obama however, makes the Prague decision even more difficult.

Nothing is set in stone at this point, and I will ALWAYS be around to fight the good fight, even if I'm gone temporarily to do some soul searching.
Ok, good. Thanks for clarifying!
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I am against Hillary Clinton for multiple reasons:
She is EXTREMELY polarizing, and she fires up the Republicans more than any other Republican.

Her support of Bush's war in Iraq and rattling sabres with Iran is unexcusable.

She has been using Karl Rovian tactics in her campaign, and against a Democrat no less. She cares more about her own ego and victory than what happens to her party or the outcome in November. If you listen to her, she praises McCain more than Obama.

I'm still torn about Prague, because as you said, I wouldn't be able to make a difference...and that tears me apart inside. I love being out on the street communicating with voters. But I cannot align myself with the ugliness of the Clintons. I will still vote of course, and it would never be for a man who says we could be in Iraq the next 100 years.

I'll be around for the next president, I'd really only be gone during the Election. If Hillary were to somehow wrestle the nomination from Obama, she does not deserve my labor. She will have my vote, but I will not spend my energy on her, I'll find some other cause. Obama however, makes the Prague decision even more difficult.

Nothing is set in stone at this point, and I will ALWAYS be around to fight the good fight, even if I'm gone temporarily to do some soul searching.
I disagree about not making a difference by going to Prague. Despite whatever outcome politics has in this country you are still a very young woman who is building her career and developing as a person. Going to Prague to study abroad will give you experience unparalleled to what you will have staying state-side. So what if Clinton wins? So what if McCain wins? Either you can focus on the immediate now, or keep the future in perspective. This country will always be there. Yes, this election is historic, but as the years go by future elections will be pretty groundbreaking as well. An opportunity to live long-term in another country, immersing yourself in a new culture, making connections with people all over the world, well, that opportunity is rare and should not be overlooked. I don't see pursuing Prague as running away at all. I personally think it is the better decision for the long run.
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I disagree about not making a difference by going to Prague. Despite whatever outcome politics has in this country you are still a very young woman who is building her career and developing as a person. Going to Prague to study abroad will give you experience unparalleled to what you will have staying state-side. So what if Clinton wins? So what if McCain wins? Either you can focus on the immediate now, or keep the future in perspective. This country will always be there. Yes, this election is historic, but as the years go by future elections will be pretty groundbreaking as well. An opportunity to live long-term in another country, immersing yourself in a new culture, making connections with people all over the world, well, that opportunity is rare and should not be overlooked. I don't see pursuing Prague as running away at all. I personally think it is the better decision for the long run.

And as someone who's lived abroad as well, this is also very true. I neglected to think of it this way.
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someone sneak me into lynn's suitcase as well. I wanna go to DUBLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WAHHHHHHHHHHH


It's been almost 4 yrs since I was there last.. that place!
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I disagree about not making a difference by going to Prague. Despite whatever outcome politics has in this country you are still a very young woman who is building her career and developing as a person. Going to Prague to study abroad will give you experience unparalleled to what you will have staying state-side. So what if Clinton wins? So what if McCain wins? Either you can focus on the immediate now, or keep the future in perspective. This country will always be there. Yes, this election is historic, but as the years go by future elections will be pretty groundbreaking as well. An opportunity to live long-term in another country, immersing yourself in a new culture, making connections with people all over the world, well, that opportunity is rare and should not be overlooked. I don't see pursuing Prague as running away at all. I personally think it is the better decision for the long run.
When I say not making a difference I mean this election specifically. You're right though, it would give me a different experience and outlook, which is why I'm so torn.

I don't think people quite understand how much I thrive off of the labor of campaigning, connecting with voters, bringing people into the process and educating them. It's an incredible feeling, a rush of adrenaline, knowing that little ol' me may have reached out to just enough people to give my candidate the edge, changing the course of history.

But, then there's Prague. A chance to live and learn in one of the most beautiful cities in the world, and the ability to travel throughout Europe on my own without a tour guide.

But, it also means leaving my kitty for 4 months
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one thing to keep in mind too is that if this election doesn't work out not to worry, because there will be plenty more elections. just hang in there, Laura. the time will come when you have to make the decision. look into your heart, and decide what you think you want more. i'm behind you 100% whichever route you choose. and with either direction, i know you're gonna do great
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